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Unread 01-20-2006, 10:49 PM   #81
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Notice, that while they did do something to Zabuza, they did not defeat him, they held their own, for about 10 seconds, while he was focusing on not letting another elite jounin go which I would think would take a lot of concentration.

I don't mean to say that we can't, or genin can't take down Jounin with good teamwork, but it doesn't seem like we have very good teamwork except in odd cases such as me and Aerozord. We could still probaly take down a Jounin, and several Chuunin besides, but it isn't wise to proclaim that we can beat anything that they ever throw at us and survive. Even a Genin could beat someone who foolishly said "Here ill let you get the first shot" (Edit: Unless they are Kenpachi :p) and didn't do anything to dodge.

Also, defeating someone in arm wrestling is not the same as defeating someone in battle. I'm not saying your character is not strong, we all are exceptional Chuunin, but we still got to accuretly assess our weakness. Like in my instance, people who can see through the invisibility and have large AoE Jutsus.


Edit: Zabuza was actually a very good Jounin, he was close the Kakashi's level (albeit out of shape Kakashi but I disgress) he got beaten because Kakashi was better, and because in that part of the series power did not matter as much as brains did. While Naruto has become progressively more power based, there is still chance for strategies to win out.

Edit2: Actually Iruka is pretty powerful... In the databook I believe, or an interview it was said that the only reason he was still a Chuunin was because he loved to teach.
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Unread 01-20-2006, 10:58 PM   #82
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Right but that is why Kokuo suggested the misdirection strategy. If in the battle they see Aseta breathing fire. Then they would assume his clone to have the same ability. But a technique that works against aseta (an ice attack for example) would do nothing to kokuo. What with his fur and intense physical attributes. And the same attack against Tayuumi would be met with a rock fist. And it would also work to hide our numbers. Because lets face it. They have to have seen us already.

Also, Oichimaru was a sennin, so he was clearly toying with them as gennin. Stupid Oichimaru.
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Unread 01-20-2006, 11:12 PM   #83
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I wouldn't call Zabuza weak. Kakashi is pretty much the best jounin leaf has to offer. The only person on jounin level that really challenges him is Gai. And if you've read the recent mangas it shows just how much better Kakashi is. Zabuza beat the water kage in a fight and nearly killed him. Though it was a super stealth attack that noone wuold expect. Calling someone weak because Kakashi beat them is pretty stupid IMHO. Zabuza was one of the best students The mist had ever had and they were infuriated to see him go rouge. And think about how long Zabuza stayed away from most of the villages hunters. But I digress. Tayuumi showed you on the map were the forces were at generally. They can move and when she stretches her sight that amount of distance it can have some flaws. (Giving you some wiggle room Raiden) As we go along I will keep you updated.
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Unread 01-20-2006, 11:45 PM   #84
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I personally think that Kokuo's plan was good because if we all appeared to be clones of say Ka, when the Ka who was Aseta exploded her face with flame it would catch them entirely off gaurd. And if they only believe that it was one ninja with many clones moving through a forest they wouldn't bother with a strategy they'd just attack thinking they had an advantage since she's weak from making all the clones.

But hey, thats two good ideas the fire and monkey man have come up with that were shot down.
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Unread 01-21-2006, 12:07 AM   #85
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Well at this point we are only fighting what seems to be Genin-Chunin ranked people and we outnumber them. Plus we have story lines which make us automatically better for the fact that no main characters should die in the 1st mission. The plan is good for fighting one group, but if a message gets through about the plan then we are caught off guard. Plus I like the ground troops as a target and tree troops as support. We could use both?
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the best combination of plans you could do is a 3 team split. 3 front strikers (Chirin, Tomasu and Ohero Uniha) who travel through the trees and appear to be Ohero, there job would be to watch the path up ahead and clear a path for the second and third group. With tomasu's speed they could very easily break down some defenses of any incoming opponents.

A large group of 6 (Tayuumi, Ezari, Nanashi, Ken'ichi, Ka and Tsume) who would all appear to be Shinreiku Ezari as he too is blind and cannot duplicate anyone elses appearance, This groups responsibility would be protecting the scroll bearers while using a hit and run tactic, to keep any opponents off balance for the final group.

While a final striker group of three who appear to be Aseta (since he's colorblind he wouldn't make the best duplicates ever.), which would consist of Kokuo, Aseta and Rose. The final group is a clean-up squad and a defense from back assaults, composed of raw muscle, a fire specialist and a bottomless chakra pit. They can stop and fight any group of enemies that encounters any of the groups. Then catch up after they finish.

With the two striker group system the main Ezari group can continue moving forward and should never have to stop entirely.

The only major flaw being that any striker group which seperates must be under suspicion of being enemies in disguise but as the ezari group has not one but two people capable of great insight it is not a major flaw.

[Ninja Edit]Also, good scouting there mestizio.
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If that's serious thanks I guess.
If that's sarcasm then I could have completely changed what I said to something boring like"Hey there up ahead go getem", but I wanted to add an intersesting change in the story line. Sue me for wanting to have fun in a game.
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Unread 01-21-2006, 12:50 AM   #88
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It starts.

These guys we're facing aren't super powerful. In fact, they aren't all that powerful at all.

Abilities of enemies:

1) Needle River Jutsu. They can send needles flying from their sleeves in controlled torrents.

2) Needle Rain Jutsu. Using umbrellas with needles hidden in them, they can rain needles down upon a group.


Their weapons are wakizashis that they keep hidden in the stocks of umbrellas that contain needles in the covers. Plus, they have needles hidden everywhere on their bodies.
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What? Your throwing rain ninja on us? Man... Ezari is going to get yelled at later >.>
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Unread 01-21-2006, 10:12 AM   #90
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Anyone mind if I try to (maybe along with Oharu) take on some of the surounding groups so they don't interfere with your path? It doesn't seem like you need help with the current group.
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