Mafia: Basic

[Fenris]

Yeah, but if the Reporter nails all the baddies right away, then he can't win, because all of the non-civilians have to die for him/her to win, although if it is just him and civilians, both parties win.

Right now, we really have nothing to go on, so I'm witholding a vote for now. We might get lucky on the first day if a mafiate foolishly sticks his or her neck out, so it might be better to wait a bit.

[CallmePrismatic]

I'm sorry if I still appear confuzzled, but I guess I don't have an easy time subscribing to the mentality usually associated with grizzled old guys in post apocalypses. The "Well at least we have the people that matter"-mentality is always a dangerous mindset to assume, because soon (and in these games never usually doesn't come up) the people that didn't 'really' matter are all gone and the mafia has a majority hold of the population. Basically, every Town-aligned person matters.

I see the reporter as more pro-town than pro-mafia. He isn't truly an independant entity because he wins with us, not alone. Despite how the wording paints it, its in the best interest of the reporter to help the town win.

[Sithdarth]

Hmmm, Mesden's got a point there. I do believe the reporter doesn't have a choice on if he/she wants to report the results of an investigation, at least that's what I gathered from Newb's description. The reporter's power is great but it can hurt the town. This is possibly why there his no mention of the reporter being town aligned in the description. In fact:

Reporter, which few of you will recognize, is on a side of his own.

and he wins when all the special roles are dead. At least that's how I read Newb's description.

[Thundergod Cid]

Originally Posted by Newb

As you can see, Reporter, which few of you will recognize, is on a side of his own. He wins when all that's left is himself and civilians. Like the detective, he investigates, but unlike the detective, his investigations are published and delivered to everybody's front steps.

Now, the reporter is odd in that the town can still win if he is alive, despite having different win conditions from the town.

The town just needs to get rid of the mafiates and the killer to win.

The Reporter is not town-aligned. However, the town does not need to kill him to win, and he could potentially help the town in killing the mafia and serial killer. To me, it seems like the reporter isn't really a threat to the town as long as the vig, doctor, and detective are alive.

[Mesden]

I've been informed that the reporter can win WITH the town, given the circumstances. But, he's still TECHNICALLY a threat as he has a dangerous powered and STILL has to kill our best advantages.

CmP, I know EXACLTY how you feel. But, if the SK was going to hit a townie, it is, and you can't really disagree with me, BEST for him to hit a regular townie.

In NO way did I mean it was a good thing in general, but, sorry to say, I'd rather have our PO than IC right now.

[secretskull]

The reporter can help the town by unearthing mafia members. Yet he can also hurt the town by doing the same to the town-aligned roles. Also, by revealing who is a vanilla townie, he eliminates potential people who have "Special" roles. It could be said that the reporter hurts us more then he helps, so we shouldn't think to highly of him just because we don't lose if when he wins and vice-versa. Enough discussing him for now though, we should be concentrating on killing Mes… I mean discovering the mafia. Yes that’s right, discovering the mafia. Note: The end was a joke

[Bailey]

Mes speaks truth on what I said.

The Reporter can win and still have the town win, but he might not be worth the bother, depending on hiw you look at it.

The reporter is like the wacky sidekick in an adventure movie.

Does the wacky sidekick need to live for the goodguy to win?

No, but if he is still alive, it doesn't directly stop the goodguy from winning.

[Mesden]

SecretSkull, I'll just go out and say now, had I not quoted your post and saw the invisa text, I'd be making an anti you post right now.

Invisatext=REALLY REALLY bad in this game.

[Fenris]

Yeah. It's almost as bad as deleting a post. Which I learned the hard way.

[CallmePrismatic]

I thought it was a good joke and I didn't even notice the invisi-text, but then again I'm not the one being joshed around.

Unvote: Mesden

There, no sad eyes or needlessly mean words neccesary now.

Anyways, Reporter is hovering between being a nuisance and quasi-informer now, setting him more toward the nuetral side (I didn't get the "only the title-less need survive" sentiment) but we're still spending too much time focusing on him.