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Unread 06-10-2006, 02:59 AM   #2601
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Zesty: (I'll have a little trouble reading their names. Bad eyes and its pretty dark in here. Bear with me.)
I really like the look of the bottom left one (Alex?), and the bottom middle (Chase?) is pretty daggone good too.

But yeah, Molly's head shapes all wonky. Her eyes are off too. Too far apart, and the one on the right is to high up, I think. Really, the major problem is the shape of the head. I'd redo that, definately.

The girl on the top right's (Nico?) eyes are too far apart as well. You need to move the one on the left back over to the front of her face.

The top left (Karolina?) has a bit of a cone neck. Seems to be too long. Maybe if you fix that, the rest of it would fix itself. And I think her face is a bit too simplistic. It just ends up looking sloppy.

In case you've never heard of it before, try looking at it in a mirror. Or, since you've got it on the compy already, just use an image editing program to flip it. You get used to seeing your drawing how it is, and it stops looking "wrong" when you mess up and such. Seeing it in reverse makes it like your looking at a completely different drawing, and...voila, you see the mistakes agian.

That's all I can see/think of right now.

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Unread 06-10-2006, 10:59 AM   #2602
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Here's a couple of sketches of NPF memebers that I've been working on lately. I'll probably CG 'em and stick 'em in the member comic thread once we have it back. In the meantime, here's Skyshot:

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Unread 06-10-2006, 12:39 PM   #2603
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Me likey! I kinda wonder what I'm saying, though...

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Unread 06-11-2006, 12:17 AM   #2604
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Zesty: (I'll have a little trouble reading their names. Bad eyes and its pretty dark in here. Bear with me.)
I really like the look of the bottom left one (Alex?), and the bottom middle (Chase?) is pretty daggone good too.

But yeah, Molly's head shapes all wonky. Her eyes are off too. Too far apart, and the one on the right is to high up, I think. Really, the major problem is the shape of the head. I'd redo that, definately.

The girl on the top right's (Nico?) eyes are too far apart as well. You need to move the one on the left back over to the front of her face.

The top left (Karolina?) has a bit of a cone neck. Seems to be too long. Maybe if you fix that, the rest of it would fix itself. And I think her face is a bit too simplistic. It just ends up looking sloppy.

In case you've never heard of it before, try looking at it in a mirror. Or, since you've got it on the compy already, just use an image editing program to flip it. You get used to seeing your drawing how it is, and it stops looking "wrong" when you mess up and such. Seeing it in reverse makes it like your looking at a completely different drawing, and...voila, you see the mistakes agian.

That's all I can see/think of right now.
Heheh....shouldn't have read that just after i woke up, I was like "'Bad eyes'?? That's a little mean, you could at least tell me HOW they're bad!!" I swear...my brain tends to come in about 3 hours late, smoking a cigarette and drinking a cup of coffee...

As for the rest, thanks a million! Definately soem stuff to look over and correct before the final draft. And yea, I tend to have a problem with long-arse necks if I'm not careful. and as for the face, maybe if I slimmed it a bit, it'd look less simplistic? I'm thinking most of the simple-ness comes from the fact that Karolina has a very slim face. I'll tprobably look better with shading and whatnot.

The eyes, I'll redo a few times, probably. Eye placement is one of my biggest headaches ><.

And I've tried the mirrror and upside down things before. The trick I usually use is to hide the drawings in a folder or portfolio or something and take my mindoff them for 24 hours. Then take them out and check them for errors, and then hide them again, to double-doublecheck (Works for self-proofing papers, too.) I didn't do that on these, though. I just sorta drew and posted.

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Wow, nice work. Molly's head looks weird, like part of it is missing or something. You might wanna re-work that. Other than that, the pics are pretty good.
Thanks, man! And as for the head, yea I can kinda see that. I could chub her cheeks out a little or something to give her a more "12 y/o look", perhaps?
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Unread 06-11-2006, 03:04 PM   #2605
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Something I started on today...

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Unread 06-11-2006, 03:52 PM   #2606
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Heheh....shouldn't have read that just after i woke up, I was like "'Bad eyes'?? That's a little mean, you could at least tell me HOW they're bad!!" I swear...my brain tends to come in about 3 hours late, smoking a cigarette and drinking a cup of coffee...

As for the rest, thanks a million! Definately soem stuff to look over and correct before the final draft. And yea, I tend to have a problem with long-arse necks if I'm not careful.
Hehe, well, I'm not quite done yet:

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and as for the face, maybe if I slimmed it a bit, it'd look less simplistic? I'm thinking most of the simple-ness comes from the fact that Karolina has a very slim face. I'll tprobably look better with shading and whatnot.
I dunno, the shape of the face seems fine. The way you drew the eyes (really picky about those things, aren't I?) and nose is the problem, I think.

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The eyes, I'll redo a few times, probably. Eye placement is one of my biggest headaches ><.
I'd go look at this. It explains the structure of the head, and shows how things are supposed to line up. Really, the whole site's great, though.

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And as for the head, yea I can kinda see that. I could chub her cheeks out a little or something to give her a more "12 y/o look", perhaps?
Well, yeah, she needs a cheek. You've got a dent there right now. There is a dent in the face at that angle, but its beside the eyes, not below them. Also, the ear should be visible there. You show the jawline going all the way back into her head, but it should run into the bottom of the ear right about nose level.
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Unread 06-11-2006, 05:07 PM   #2607
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Tweeb, I think it depends on the type of discussion you're having on the artwork. If someone hasn't examined it closely and jumps to their judgements and starts picking it apart, they don't get anything out of it. But if someone has considered the artwork carefully and shares that with someone else who has done the same, you can offer insights to each other.
Point taken. There is no right or wrong to this discussion. It is a difference
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On a sidenote: I'm not fishing for compliments or anything, but I'm wondering why no one has commented on my last drawing >_> I wasn't too sure of it and swing between thinking it's ugly and thinking it's not =P (not that it matters in art, but there obviously isn't some embedded meaning in my drawing and I want it at least to look pleasing)
Do you mean the Butterfly Catcher? I could comment. But do you really
wish me to?
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Unread 06-11-2006, 06:09 PM   #2608
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Tweeb: I don't mind if you don't comment. I guess I was having a weird day when I posted that :P

Swiftbow: The character is cute! However, what jumped out at me first was the colour of her skin. Even if she has a tan, her skin is more red than it should be.
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Unread 06-11-2006, 09:39 PM   #2609
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Tweeb: I don't mind if you don't comment. I guess I was having a weird day when I posted that :P

Swiftbow: The character is cute! However, what jumped out at me first was the colour of her skin. Even if she has a tan, her skin is more red than it should be.
That is intentional. Said character has heritage from the Plane of Fire (her father is an efreet).
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Unread 06-12-2006, 01:17 PM   #2610
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I drew the lineart for that one awhile ago, I just decided to color it. ^^

Hope you guys like it. (gotta love summer)
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