Mafia: NPF edition

[Mondt]

Originally Posted by Mesden

How many times are people going to repeat me?

Oops, I didn't see that there were already 3(12) pages up. I just read the first page. That was really fast.

But I'll have to say something to dojindog; how is it that trying to convince people that your innocent is bad? Isn't that the point of the game?

[Mesden]

I read it all. I'm not going to cut up your post, seeing as my attention is split a lot right now.

Anyhow, as far as the "100 guilty men freed than 1 innocent man jailed". That states that you would rather a mafiate live than a townie die. When you when by numbers, this sacrifice has to and will be made. We can't win if we just try to keep our numbers up more than take theirs down.

The less they have, the more time we also have. Your belief will mathematically lose for us.

As far as bandwagoning, it's been shown it nearly every game that band wagoning has done nothing but hurt the town. Whenever the town has lynched a mafia, it's almost always been unanimous. You're blatantly admitting you're going bandwagon. Last minute votes don't give any time to question the action and are always definite until the next day when it's almost over.

You may THINK you're completely sure when you state the vote, but with your vote, someone might something off about it and be able to convince otherwise, possibly for the greater good.

And yes, we should stop shoving the words and showing each other to an extremist point. But I believe you are agreeing to the bandwagoning point. I never said I want people dead soon, so I'm not out for blood. That's not even near what I'm doing, so you were just lying.

It's obvious that both our words will be taken with serious judgement from now on, as we've had a good 50 posts between us at this time if not more. So, when you do decide to vote, people will look deeply at them (Me more than anyone else, I'm sure) and if you're doing the "Bandwagoning" last second vote thing, no one can question it.

If I missed an important part, excuse me on it and just point it out for me, please. Attention is severed in several places right now.

[Fenris]

Originally Posted by dojindog

While that may seem all noble and nice and what not that doesn't work as well in Mafia because you have to vote quickly else the mafiate's will get you.

How so? When there is no deadline, there is no rush. You do not want to vote quickly, because you likely will not have thought it through, and will rush into a decision. When there is no time limit, why spend the bare minimum time on something?

[neyo the king]

Hrm. 12 pages, huh? I guess that'll teach me to get off the internet for a couple of hours.

Originally Posted by Ecurt

More on my thoughts on Neyo: No offense, but he doesn't seem to be one of the "bigger" players of Mafia. The reason he gave seems to fit how much attention he seems to pay in the games. I'm not saying he's not suspicious, because he still is, but he's less suspicious than, say, Roy at the moment, or Ogianres. But mostly Roy.

Gee, thanks. (/sarcasm) Ok, I'll admit, I'm not the most attentive fish in the fishbowl, and maybe I should pay a little more attention to stuff, but that doesn't mean I can't think and decipher what I see for myself. Not that I'm saying that you said I couldn't. Cause you didn't. Anyway, I have read through, and tried to absorb as much as I could, and this is what I got.

Ecurt is saying that Roy was too open in saying that I was a special role. Roy says he was just presenting another side of the case, that case being I was maybe trying to give a hint in my post as to who the mafia were. Roy then questioned the reasoning of IC's vote, then asked if SpacePope was a good player. I'm a little..how to say this... suspicious of this question. Why would you want to know how well a player asked, exactly, is beyond me. It's probably a miss understanding on my part, but until it's cleared up... eh... Also, just the way Roy is acting just rubs me the wrong way. It seems to me that all he really does is restate stuff, or post something that I would say was on the verge of being spam. I'm going to take my gut feeling a bit further and

Vote: Roy.

Note: Edited to clean up. I forgot to put in paragraphs.

[Sithdarth]

Anyhow, as far as the "100 guilty men freed than 1 innocent man jailed". That states that you would rather a mafiate live than a townie die. When you when by numbers, this sacrifice has to and will be made. We can't win if we just try to keep our numbers up more than take theirs down.

And I've already given example after example about just what I meant by that and how I see it effecting the game and frankly I'm done with it. After everything I've said you always repeat like just saying it over and over is going to make it true. We know you don't agree with it a counter point would be nice and not to the intiatial statement but to everything after it. After all I can't be expected to fully explain every detail of my thought process in my first few posts on the subject.

The less they have, the more time we also have. Your belief will mathematically lose for us.

See above. I've fully explained what I meant and how I would act. You've ignored it and went straight back to the intial statement like its a fact I can disprove. Well its not its pretty much an opinion with factual bits. True numbers do win the game but you've repeatedly ignored all attempts at me explaining myself frankly its getting old and rude. Pressure is good to a point but this is getting to be to much. There are no more answers for you here.

As far as bandwagoning, it's been shown it nearly every game that band wagoning has done nothing but hurt the town. Whenever the town has lynched a mafia, it's almost always been unanimous. You're blatantly admitting you're going bandwagon.

But I believe you are agreeing to the bandwagoning point.

No see I disagreed with you very definition of bandwagoning and even given your definition waiting as long as possible isn't definetaly without exception bandwagoning.

. Last minute votes don't give any time to question the action and are always definite until the next day when it's almost over.

You may THINK you're completely sure when you state the vote, but with your vote, someone might something off about it and be able to convince otherwise, possibly for the greater good.

What about after the lynch hmm? Its not like everything I said before a vote suddenly disappears after the vote. You should know that better than anyone so that gives me pause to think about your motivation.

Why does my reasoning and stuff suddenly change when I put that little bit of bold text up? Just because I don't vote doesn't mean I won't be presenting cases. Why should I vote then change me mind and unvote then perhaps vote again when I can do that all in my head without that little bold text? If I wait till the last minute guess what all view points that could be expressed will have been expressed. Now you could think I'm just not going to say anything but I already stated a few times how I'll be pointing out flaws on bothsides. I'll add to that now with I'll also be presenting my own cases I didn't think I needed to say that though. I'd be doing that regardless of those little bolded text section with vote by them.

I never said I want people dead soon, so I'm not out for blood. That's not even near what I'm doing, so you were just lying.

Ok so I said out for blood, bad choice of words, but you've done similar to me and I'd wager you haven't worded everything as well as you'd like. Heck you just did it up there with the whole bandwagoning thing. It could be an honest mistake and it couldn't. Its no reason to call a person an outright liar.

So, when you do decide to vote, people will look deeply at them (Me more than anyone else, I'm sure) and if you're doing the "Bandwagoning" last second vote thing, no one can question it.

Again how is it that people magically can't pick apart me reasons after the lynch? This is perhaps the largest logical fallacy I've seen you make. There is seriously no logic there.

If I missed an important part, excuse me on it and just point it out for me, please. Attention is severed in several places right now.

Mafai smokescreen? I'd say the chances are good at least in part. You above all else should know that you need to take your time and devote your full attention to the game. Heck we just went over the importance of wording with Roy. Why would you suddenly do something so dangerous? This way you can just play off anything I manage to pick out as you being distracted.

Hey while we are on mafia smoke screens this whole exchange between me and you is another good one. Accusations are a great way to focuse attention on someone. Along with that is when responding to accusations it gives you lots of material to reword and play with. Above that it makes your target look defensive and thus guilty. So now I really really suspect you of something. Add to that you potentially asked that cult question to make it seem like you didn't know if the cult could act and thus deflect attention from you potentially being the cult leader.

You know what I'm going to make you happy and vote for someone. So here goes: Vote:Mesden

[dojindog]

I'm not saying that you shouldn't put any thought into your vote. I'm just saying that once you've been swayed to one side enough don't just sit there and diddly-fart around until you are swayed to another PoV it's like a question on a multiple choice test if you don't know it and all else fails just go with your first instinct. Being nice and polite isn't the way to get things done in my opinion aggressive play is the way to go sweat it out of them.

[Sithdarth]

I'm not saying that you shouldn't put any thought into your vote. I'm just saying that once you've been swayed to one side enough don't just sit there and diddly-fart around until you are swayed to another PoV it's like a question on a multiple choice test if you don't know it and all else fails just go with your first instinct. Being nice and polite isn't the way to get things done in my opinion aggressive play is the way to go sweat it out of them.

Except it isn't a multipule choice test and putting down your vote in bold doesn't make it magically immutable. Nor does it lend any more credit to your case. Vote timing is completely and totally opinion and can indicate far to many things to be a good predictor.

[dojindog]

Yes well as long as you are using a number 2 pencil with an eraser putting an answer down on the test doesn't make it immutable either. I'm saying if you don't have anything else to go on Vote. Your voting could possible draw suspicion onto you and the person going after you could slip-up and, Wham! You've caught yourself a mafiate! You should still be willing to change it if new evidence arises though.

[Sithdarth]

Yes well as long as you are using a number 2 pencil with an eraser putting an answer down on the test doesn't make it immutable either. I'm saying if you don't have anything else to go on Vote. Your voting could possible draw suspicion onto you and the person going after you could slip-up and, Wham! You've caught yourself a mafiate! You should still be willing to change it if new evidence arises though.

I seem to have done a decent enough job of that without having to vote, until now that is. Again its not like someones evil just because they choose a different play style and it doesn't make them less effective. There is more than one way to skin a cat after all.

[Truce]

Originally Posted by Neyo the King

Gee, thanks. (/sarcasm) Ok, I'll admit, I'm not the most attentive fish in the fishbowl, and maybe I should pay a little more attention to stuff, but that doesn't mean I can't think and decipher what I see for myself. Not that I'm saying that you said I couldn't. Cause you didn't. Anyway, I have read through, and tried to absorb as much as I could, and this is what I got.

Even though you said I didn't say that you couldn't, it never hurts to hear it from the person yourself. You can do it, Neyo, and I have a feeling you will; heck, that single post has earned you more of my attention more than some people did in the entire SoL game.