Mythological Roleplay - Page 8

Whightwolf · 10-27-2006, 06:25 AM

Seconded.

Also this stopped making sence around page three. If you want to do Ragnarok and end the rp we can do that. If not can we all try and move back to a little more sence?

Also Karmin controls fate not Charok.

Arhra · 10-27-2006, 07:15 AM

Yes, I'd advise we do a bit of a retcon. Things that are unfair and unacceptable have happened.

The question is how far back do we want to unravel events? I'd say back to post #33 at the very least - Tcharne and Charok dying like that is just stupid. I've already said what's wrong with it in my last post. Also, the death of a god, if it ever happens, should be an event of vast majesty, not something like that.

Taking it back that far, the posts needed to be altered would be Squishy's and that last one of Demented's (seeing how his undead wouldn't be wiped out so easily). Some minor previous events would need to be edited, like possibly the high priestess dying and Charok's actions during the conversation between Tcharne and the white wanderer - even if the full god was there, what was done is not good.

Taking it back further would be a little more involved but might flow better and be a less, er, giant war causing series of events. The earliest possible post would be #24 - nothing before then is a problem. This edit would assume that Tcharne is talking to the actual Charok (I believe that the white wanderers being 'shadows' was a latter addition) and conversation would go from there.

The quesiton is what alternative series of events do we want to agree on?

This is a bit of an aside, but I thought I might mention it seeing how it will show where I was going with Tcharne's confrontation with Charok. She is basically trying to dissuade him from the path he's chosen since it will end in his defeat and possible destruction - if you're going to anger several gods, you'd better have planned something pretty clever in advance, sometihng Charok has given no sign of.

However, she's no-one's fool. Tcharne also is carrying a snare prepared for Charok, with the intent to imprison him if he can't be talked around. The wisps I've been mentioning are a component of it and it was woven with each step taken unraveling the white wanderer's path. I had hoped to have a more drawn out conversation and allude to it more.

The idea is that to trap a god of ends, a prison with neither beginning nor end would be used. Essentially its to let Charok cool his heels for a few centuries. Of course, even if Tcharne did trap Charok, its still quite possible Mors would do something.

Squishy Cheeks · 10-27-2006, 11:03 AM

just to say this now. I'm not changing a word. If you don't like that story played out, tough. Write a better one next time, or maybe next time don't make me feel like I'm being backed into a corner, by ganging up on my character. How bout next time you want me to be the villain in the story you tell, you ask me first. I find this whole affair wholely uncool, and my enjoyment factor of this game dropped severly. If you want a do-over then do it without me.

Whightwolf · 10-27-2006, 11:04 AM

Alielle, if your spying on us you might be the only one to notice that Tordal disappears for periords of time... apparently out of creation all together.

Yeah, if Karmin is happy with it, he could just post a reinterprestion on the posts from that point onwards and we'll work off of that.

#edit# *looks up* man if you dont want to feel ganged up on how about dont piss everyone else off. If you want to be an antagonist fine, but why bitch about consequences and why use pp to get out of it? The charecter acts like a spoiled brat, of course he is going to get a spanking lol

Squishy Cheeks · 10-27-2006, 11:20 AM

If everyone wants a do over, fine, let's go all the way back to the Blight's creation and start over from there. Or why not go back further, we could just restart the whole damn thing. You guys want your retcon fine. do it. For the record I'm not against a retcon, I'm against this attitude that I'm the only one to blame for the way the story turned out. I would have been perfectly happing continuing with the orcs become civilized stuff I was working on back on page 1. But then you guys had to start plotting my character's destruction. I had plans too, that I had to adapt and scrap because none of you could check with me to see if I was cool with it. Until this unpleasantness, I've been courteous enough to send you a PM if I wanted to involve your charachter in a story with mine in which something big could happen. None of you have extended the same courtesy in return. I mean honestly going around and purposefully undoing a characters actions is the height of rudeness. I mean was it so hard to just deal with the Blight. I gave Demented the blight to be a weapon if he wanted to use it, as thanks for cooperating with me when the reapers were fighting his prophets. I don't see how that concerned any of you.

Akamaz · 10-27-2006, 11:23 AM

yeah, she's been spying for a while.. It honestly hasn't ocurred to her yet that she's a goddess tho. As I see it, when people steal, they're worshipping her indirectly. Animals just adore her, but the only one she has had around her when she isn't disguised in an illusion is her kitten I made a slight edit to her character sheet to add "Spying" to the roster of her stuff (it's essentially a part of stealing)

Marinan · 10-27-2006, 12:52 PM

Here's what I'll do. Kamin will come in and have a God's Council. The gods will decide that Kamin will have to step in and excersize his power over Fate. He'll create a new time line for all the gods to follow, leaving the current world empty. Everything will proceed as if key events that players didn't like never happened.

Squishy Cheeks · 10-27-2006, 03:27 PM

I find that acceptable

Astral Harmony · 10-27-2006, 03:41 PM

Kinda like a Will of the Macrocosm reset thing, then.

Arhra · 10-27-2006, 07:42 PM

To be blunt, I think this 'alternate timeline' a bad idea. Its eminently pointless and sets the thing I abhorr greatly - a bad precedent. To agree on the changes out of the game does the exact same thing, but without complex ramifications to the RP.

Now Squishy, the problem is not precisely what you are trying to do, but how you are doing it. Most of what you've done lately has been godmodding. Because the godmodding needs to be removed from current events due to the problems its caused, we need to slightly modify events.

Quite frankly, if you hadn't godmodded, several of these outcomes you wrote wouldn't have happened - other people can intervene you know.

I only suggested a more indepth retconning if we wanted to not have a big war. It is quite obviously a fight Charok can't win - a minimum of three gods against one is quite one sided.

As for others 'plotting against Charok', its because he's the cause of the blight that is taininting the lands they hold dominion over. Gibrah did the deal exchanging the orcs for the undead in good faith and Charok didn't. From the in character perspective, allying with Gibrah to stop Charok first is a sensible thing to do - it means most of those nasty undead will be off blighting someplace else.

You're not being forced to be the villian - the entire point of Tcharne's going after Charok was to give him a way out. Reparations can be made. And you can hardly complain about other characters undoing your character's actions if it is something that they would do. If you do something, people will respond.

If you didn't like the look of the way things were going, you should have said something! That's one of the things the discussion thread is for - discussing where the story's going. And you have been most discourteous, claiming you kill other gods and wipe out other's forces without so much as a by your leave. We don't like how the story has played out because of you.

My proposal for how we shift events is fairly simple - at the talk between Tcharne and the white wanderer, the wanderer says the same stuff, but remove the 'I drains all your powers!' stuff as it isn't possible. AB might also like that part about a high priestess dying removed - a high priestess would likely be under the goddess' protection.

Next change has to be the meeting between Tcharne and the actual Charok. Squishy, if you like, I can remove the spear of blight. Charok and Tcharne don't die - that would be ridiculous - so instead turn that post into a conversation.

Events after this is where the major changes are. I'm not certain about whether the civilised orcs have been abandoned or not as its seems to keep changing whether the domains have been passed on or not. Thus, Gibrah's reclaiming of the orcs may not happen.

Charok would not have died and I find 'The deal's broken because I died' questionable anyway. This Black Cauldron was pulled out far too easily for what it did and the deal would not be broken. Perhaps it would be best to remove the post entirely along with demented's one of the aftermath.

Any problems with this suggestion?

10-27-2006, 07:15 AM	#72
Arhra Ara ara! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Neo Venezia Posts: 5,013	Yes, I'd advise we do a bit of a retcon. Things that are unfair and unacceptable have happened. The question is how far back do we want to unravel events? I'd say back to post #33 at the very least - Tcharne and Charok dying like that is just stupid. I've already said what's wrong with it in my last post. Also, the death of a god, if it ever happens, should be an event of vast majesty, not something like that. Taking it back that far, the posts needed to be altered would be Squishy's and that last one of Demented's (seeing how his undead wouldn't be wiped out so easily). Some minor previous events would need to be edited, like possibly the high priestess dying and Charok's actions during the conversation between Tcharne and the white wanderer - even if the full god was there, what was done is not good. Taking it back further would be a little more involved but might flow better and be a less, er, giant war causing series of events. The earliest possible post would be #24 - nothing before then is a problem. This edit would assume that Tcharne is talking to the actual Charok (I believe that the white wanderers being 'shadows' was a latter addition) and conversation would go from there. The quesiton is what alternative series of events do we want to agree on? This is a bit of an aside, but I thought I might mention it seeing how it will show where I was going with Tcharne's confrontation with Charok. She is basically trying to dissuade him from the path he's chosen since it will end in his defeat and possible destruction - if you're going to anger several gods, you'd better have planned something pretty clever in advance, sometihng Charok has given no sign of. However, she's no-one's fool. Tcharne also is carrying a snare prepared for Charok, with the intent to imprison him if he can't be talked around. The wisps I've been mentioning are a component of it and it was woven with each step taken unraveling the white wanderer's path. I had hoped to have a more drawn out conversation and allude to it more. The idea is that to trap a god of ends, a prison with neither beginning nor end would be used. Essentially its to let Charok cool his heels for a few centuries. Of course, even if Tcharne did trap Charok, its still quite possible Mors would do something. __________________ This post is a good source of Ara ara, ufufu.* *These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This post is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease.

10-27-2006, 11:04 AM	#74
Whightwolf Shyguy Join Date: May 2006 Location: Lancaster Posts: 107	Alielle, if your spying on us you might be the only one to notice that Tordal disappears for periords of time... apparently out of creation all together. Yeah, if Karmin is happy with it, he could just post a reinterprestion on the posts from that point onwards and we'll work off of that. #edit# looks up man if you dont want to feel ganged up on how about dont piss everyone else off. If you want to be an antagonist fine, but why bitch about consequences and why use pp to get out of it? The charecter acts like a spoiled brat, of course he is going to get a spanking lol Last edited by Whightwolf; 10-27-2006 at 11:06 AM.

10-27-2006, 07:42 PM	#80
Arhra Ara ara! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Neo Venezia Posts: 5,013	To be blunt, I think this 'alternate timeline' a bad idea. Its eminently pointless and sets the thing I abhorr greatly - a bad precedent. To agree on the changes out of the game does the exact same thing, but without complex ramifications to the RP. Now Squishy, the problem is not precisely what you are trying to do, but how you are doing it. Most of what you've done lately has been godmodding. Because the godmodding needs to be removed from current events due to the problems its caused, we need to slightly modify events. Quite frankly, if you hadn't godmodded, several of these outcomes you wrote wouldn't have happened - other people can intervene you know. I only suggested a more indepth retconning if we wanted to not have a big war. It is quite obviously a fight Charok can't win - a minimum of three gods against one is quite one sided. As for others 'plotting against Charok', its because he's the cause of the blight that is taininting the lands they hold dominion over. Gibrah did the deal exchanging the orcs for the undead in good faith and Charok didn't. From the in character perspective, allying with Gibrah to stop Charok first is a sensible thing to do - it means most of those nasty undead will be off blighting someplace else. You're not being forced to be the villian - the entire point of Tcharne's going after Charok was to give him a way out. Reparations can be made. And you can hardly complain about other characters undoing your character's actions if it is something that they would do. If you do something, people will respond. If you didn't like the look of the way things were going, you should have said something! That's one of the things the discussion thread is for - discussing where the story's going. And you have been most discourteous, claiming you kill other gods and wipe out other's forces without so much as a by your leave. We don't like how the story has played out because of you. My proposal for how we shift events is fairly simple - at the talk between Tcharne and the white wanderer, the wanderer says the same stuff, but remove the 'I drains all your powers!' stuff as it isn't possible. AB might also like that part about a high priestess dying removed - a high priestess would likely be under the goddess' protection. Next change has to be the meeting between Tcharne and the actual Charok. Squishy, if you like, I can remove the spear of blight. Charok and Tcharne don't die - that would be ridiculous - so instead turn that post into a conversation. Events after this is where the major changes are. I'm not certain about whether the civilised orcs have been abandoned or not as its seems to keep changing whether the domains have been passed on or not. Thus, Gibrah's reclaiming of the orcs may not happen. Charok would not have died and I find 'The deal's broken because I died' questionable anyway. This Black Cauldron was pulled out far too easily for what it did and the deal would not be broken. Perhaps it would be best to remove the post entirely along with demented's one of the aftermath. Any problems with this suggestion? __________________ This post is a good source of Ara ara, ufufu.* *These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This post is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease.

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10-27-2006, 06:25 AM	#71
Whightwolf Shyguy Join Date: May 2006 Location: Lancaster Posts: 107	Seconded. Also this stopped making sence around page three. If you want to do Ragnarok and end the rp we can do that. If not can we all try and move back to a little more sence? Also Karmin controls fate not Charok.

10-27-2006, 12:52 PM	#77
Marinan Bullet Bill Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 290	Here's what I'll do. Kamin will come in and have a God's Council. The gods will decide that Kamin will have to step in and excersize his power over Fate. He'll create a new time line for all the gods to follow, leaving the current world empty. Everything will proceed as if key events that players didn't like never happened.

10-27-2006, 03:41 PM	#79
Astral Harmony Don't Hate Me 'Cause I'm Moe Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Harmonial Sanctum Posts: 6,798	Kinda like a Will of the Macrocosm reset thing, then.