The Big Big Thread of Religious Discussion

[Dino_Hunter]

A ton of different thoughts have been going through my head, and I'm not sure if they're smart or not, I'm a little worried because I don't know the average age of people using this forum, so maybe I'll seem like a complete idiot.

I'll start by saying I'm 14 and Catholic, I believe in my religion even if I don't completely love the church. I believe that the church does things for no reason, just because of tradition. I dislike it when the church makes decisions on what’s right or wrong in the current day issues, that haven’t even come close to being mentioned in the bible, or a small passage is taken out of context to relate to current issues. Sometime people have to make there own decision on what’s right or wrong for them, especially in issues not mentioned in the bible.

This leads me to another thing I've been thinking about. Is something sin if you don't feel guilty about it? I know in a lot of religions sin is sin, and that’s it, but why would humans have been given free will if there was going to be the same strict set of rules for everyone? In my religion I'm supposed to apologies, but if I apologies for things that I don't feel sorry for, aren’t I lying to God? Isn't that a greater sin then whatever small thing I did?

On a completely different note, I also want to tell my idea about Heaven and Hell. Being its obvious that it isn't a vistable place (from this existence that is.) maybe these places are in our mind, maybe dying is like being in an eternal dream, and the less guilt you have when you die the better the dream is. Have you ever felt bad about something and had trouble sleeping or heard someone saying that they can "sleep easy"? That’s what I think death is like, because I think it’s impossible for death to be just nothing, I mean, nothing seems an impossible idea to me, because there’s always something.

Anyone have Comments?

[42PETUNIAS]

Originally Posted by Dino Hunter

This leads me to another thing I've been thinking about. Is something sin if you don't feel guilty about it?

My guess is that it would be much more of a sin if you don't feel bad about it. I mean, whats worse, a serial killer who feels no remorse, does it because he loves it, and doesn't feel bad at all, or one that can't stop himself, and cries himself to sleep every night because he feels so bad about what he has done?

[Dino_Hunter]

Originally Posted by 42PETUNIAS

My guess is that it would be much more of a sin if you don't feel bad about it. I mean, whats worse, a serial killer who feels no remorse, does it because he loves it, and doesn't feel bad at all, or one that can't stop himself, and cries himself to sleep every night because he feels so bad about what he has done?

This is a good point, but if he felt no remorse, chances are he isn't menally right, so it couldn't be a sin.

[42PETUNIAS]

This is a good point, but if he felt no remorse, chances are he isn't menally right, so it couldn't be a sin.

Well, no one said that people who aren't completly well go to heaven. Also, there are many justifications that sane people could use to think that it's all right. Like if the person was a very extremist muslim (No offence meant) than killing infidels might be considered ok. There are many reasons why someone wouldnt feel guilt, and still be sane.

[Dino_Hunter]

Originally Posted by 42PETUNIAS

Well, no one said that people who aren't completly well go to heaven. Also, there are many justifications that sane people could use to think that it's all right. Like if the person was a very extremist muslim (No offence meant) than killing infidels might be considered ok. There are many reasons why someone wouldnt feel guilt, and still be sane.

Well why wouldn't poeple with mental disablities go to heaven?

The only reason that Muslium extremist kill is that there faith has been manpipulated to become something its not, so its pretty much falling into a trap, which shouldn't count of sin.

[ZAKtheGeek]

And how is that different from Satan tricking Eve?

[Dino_Hunter]

Well Eve wasn't sent to hell, she was kicked out of Eden, but theres a difference.

[42PETUNIAS]

Originally Posted by Dino Hunter

Well why wouldn't poeple with mental disablities go to heaven?

The only reason that Muslium extremist kill is that there faith has been manpipulated to become something its not, so its pretty much falling into a trap, which shouldn't count of sin.

All of thought would be true if what religion taught was completly logical, but it isn't. Accepting Jesus is the only way to get into heaven, as is the general consensus, the word of the bible, and what is taught preached in most churches. So if someone is disabled or manipulated in a way that makes them commit sin, and never ask jesus for forgiveness, then the burden of their sin is on them, and they're fucked.

[Dino_Hunter]

There is zero chance God would create a person, just for them to go to hell.

[ZAKtheGeek]

There's a lot of silliness flying around.

First of all, all I meant was that Eve being tricked seems to count as sin, but you said that "falling into a trap" doesn't, yet they seem like the same thing. I wasn't referring to the outcome, only the action's classification.

Second, it doesn't matter whether the serial killer is mentally right or not; that's just attacking the example. You can use something small if you want. Steal a dollar and feel no remorse. Does that make you mentally unstable? No. Is it regretless sin? Yep. Hellbound? According to 42PETUNIAS, indeed.