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Unread 11-22-2007, 05:49 AM   #41
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Virtually all of Asia, South America, Africa, Eastern Europe, and the Middle East have very similar requirements to those of Japan.
Well now... aren't you the knowledgeble one on immigration laws! That is as gross and sweeping a generalization as any I have seen recently, and very wrong. And don't try to convince us that the US (and France and Britain, let alone Switzerland and the Netherlands) have citizenship laws today that are a true model of liberalism. Welcome outsiders into the citizenry so openly? Why don't you tell that to the millions of Mexicans slaving there below minimum wage; the thousands of Iraqi refugees who have desperately applied for a visa and of whom a scant few hundred are selected each year?
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Unread 11-22-2007, 08:34 AM   #42
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Well now... aren't you the knowledgeble one on immigration laws! That is as gross and sweeping a generalization as any I have seen recently, and very wrong. And don't try to convince us that the US (and France and Britain, let alone Switzerland and the Netherlands) have citizenship laws today that are a true model of liberalism. Welcome outsiders into the citizenry so openly? Why don't you tell that to the millions of Mexicans slaving there below minimum wage; the thousands of Iraqi refugees who have desperately applied for a visa and of whom a scant few hundred are selected each year?
I didn't say that we're a model of openness, just that we were more open to immigration in a general sense. Being more open than, say, North Korea really isn't saying much at all. Generally speaking, the US and Canada have much more available citizenship than the other countries that are based around a particular ethnic group that's lived in that region since forever. Even the Germans require newcomers to speak German, whereas the US has the immigration test available in Spanish last I heard.

As for the Iraqis, nobody is letting them in to anything other than refugee camps, not even their neighbors. And the number is in the millions, not the thousands.
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