Nothing is as it Seems Mafia: The Game

[P-Sleazy]

Thats where we run into the problem of what if he's getting fed information from his Mafia PO buddy when he's making all this stuff up. He'd come off looking good when Ole Dude WTF is lynched and turns up town. Same goes for RR. There really is no way to confirm Newb's role without having an outside source investigate him. And even then we have problems. The easiest way right now to find out his role would be to lynch him. Then we atleast get a 100% confirmation on Ole Dude WTF and RR if he turns up town. Whereas if Newb turns up mafia, then we can assume that RR is some sort of killing role (vigilante, SK, or mafia) and Ole Dude WTF could be anything, cause whose gonna deny someone claiming for you that you're town, power or no power?

[Zilla]

Okay, finally up-to-date.

I'm following this hot-button topic of newb and RR vs OctoberRaven. Out of it all, aside from RR acting suspicious already, I'd vote newb for inconsistancy and general lack of real information.

I mean, his info tonight? Anybody could have made that up based on the info we got from Fenris over the night.

In fact, I'm going with a

vote:Newb

[Ole' Dude With the Face]

Originally Posted by Zilla

I'd vote newb for inconsistancy and general lack of real information.

Ok, people keep saying this, but I still don't see it. Where in the world is his story inconsistent? It all makes perfect sense to me.

Correct me if I'm wrong, which I can potentially be, but this is how I see what he is saying:

Night 1: He hid out by my house because I helped to push a lynch on BHS (our bodyguard). Thats a smart move. I could very easily have been scum pushing a townie lynch. I never left my house as I am a bit of a momma's boy.

Night 2: He went and visited the scene of Nikose's death and heard two people arguing. One of these people was cloaked in shadows, the other had a funky hat.

Night 3: He sees the Rygar/DP killing along with the man in shadows again.

Now, seriously, what is there anything inconsistent about this? The way he stated it? Now thats a possibility. The fact he jumped to conclusions about b_real the first? Sure, but with a hint like that, I would have too. Anyways, we really have no proof that b_real the first wasn't scum. October has proven to be wrong before. But, hints can point to a lot of things or be abstract and unconventional, leading someone on the wrong path of thought.

But, now we do know that there is someone out there lurking in the shadows with a gun shooting people that isn't b_real the first. Thats good to know since if one source of extra night information can't discern someone's role, its possible that other sources could be screwy [read: affected by other people's roles] also. And just to back this up, we've already seen investigations get messed up because of other people's roles already (b_real the first/PB from last night).

Anyways, I'll be voting for RR because of the following reasons: voting for me while stating evidence (the math that was as good as a random vote) that was non existent and unhelpful (due to roles not being revealed for nightkills which would have all that proposed math running in circles right about now), his lack of input excepting the attempt on me, the fact that he simply agrees with everything anyone says, and the ease with which he jumped onto the Demetrius bandwagon with no evidence besides "Its Demetrius" prior to Dem's roleclaim.

Vote: russianreversal

[P-Sleazy]

Originally Posted by Ole Dude WTF

October has proven to be wrong before.

No he hasn't. The two people he investigated died at night instead of the day. So we won't know if what he said about those investigations is true or not until B_Real the first or SK's roles get revealed. As far as we're concerned, his claims aren't disproven, but they aren't proven either. Just like Newbs.

[Zilla]

and a healthy FOS: ODWTF to boot.

Though you present it in a better light, Newb's claims of "I can't copy-paste my info, so I'm going to interpret the results for you" seem to be pretty shaky. You were already FOS'd for protecting Newb, so I'm just extending that trend.

[Ole' Dude With the Face]

Originally Posted by b_real

As far as we're concerned, his claims aren't disproven, but they aren't proven either. Just like Newbs.

Actually, as shown, he has been proven to be wrong.

Originally Posted by OctoberRaven

For some reason, my investigation on her got me B-Real's role (Tracker, Town for those that care).

Originally Posted by Pink Bunny

I am

Pink Bunny, Sage, Town-Aligned
Proof will come soon. Have a nice day.

Originally Posted by FenrisWolf

Pink Bunny be tellin' the truth, yo.

That looks like he was wrong at least once to me.

[Pink Bunny]

Originally Posted by Ole' Dude With the Face

Ok, people keep saying this, but I still don't see it. Where in the world is his story inconsistent? It all makes perfect sense to me.

Correct me if I'm wrong, which I can potentially be, but this is how I see what he is saying:

Corrections will be made.

Originally Posted by Ole' Dude With the Face

Night 1: He hid out by my house because I helped to push a lynch on BHS (our bodyguard). Thats a smart move. I could very easily have been scum pushing a townie lynch. I never left my house as I am a bit of a momma's boy.

There is no evidence that what you have said is true. According to earlier statements he picks a location on a map. Unless the location literally says "Ole' Dude With the Face's House", this assumption is false. If this map which has yet to be provided really does have readings of houses, which I truly doubt, he may as well just say "I'm investigating Ole' Dude.". Instead, he has been picking specific locations to find these conversations. Which in itself doesn't make sense, because he's seen killings outside of people's houses, and bodies are discovered all the time outside of houses as flavor.

The killers and the victims don't choose a place to kill each other at. If they did, there would be very few killings at night.

Originally Posted by Ole' Dude With the Face

Night 2: He went and visited the scene of Nikose's death and heard two people arguing. One of these people was cloaked in shadows, the other had a funky hat.

This actually goes with his story. This part is believable, at least, in the context of his unbelievable role.

Originally Posted by Ole' Dude With the Face

Night 3: He sees the Rygar/DP killing along with the man in shadows again.

Now, seriously, what is there anything inconsistent about this? The way he stated it? Now thats a possibility. The fact he jumped to conclusions about b_real the first? Sure, but with a hint like that, I would have too. Anyways, we really have no proof that b_real the first wasn't scum. October has proven to be wrong before. But, hints can point to a lot of things or be abstract and unconventional, leading someone on the wrong path of thought.

After careful reading and consideration of things that occured, no, October has not been proven wrong even once. The only thing I find suspicious is how October has not died yet. Someone who claimed to both find out Kitty's identity, and kill Kitty, in public, and not dying seems strange to me. But that's the only thing that seems out of place.

Originally Posted by Ole' Dude With the Face

But, now we do know that there is someone out there lurking in the shadows with a gun shooting people that isn't b_real the first. Thats good to know since if one source of extra night information can't discern someone's role, its possible that other sources could be screwy [read: affected by other people's roles] also. And just to back this up, we've already seen investigations get messed up because of other people's roles already (b_real the first/PB from last night).

That isn't good to know. Knowing that anonymous figures skulk around in the night is worthless. Also, his investigation could NOT have gotten messed up. As became obvious over time, misdirection is a solid reason for the events that transpired between Raven's false reading, but you cannot misdirect a MAP. Newb didn't go "I'd like to investigate the Mall" and then a Misdirect guy went "Rofl watch this I'll have him investigate a trash compactor", it wouldn't work like that.

He's selecting locations, not people. The only other options is cult invitations, murders, role blocks, or making shit up. He didn't get killed. He didn't get role blocked. And the last two options beg for death.

Originally Posted by Ole' Dude With the Face

Anyways, I'll be voting for RR because of the following reasons: voting for me while stating evidence (the math that was as good as a random vote) that was non existent and unhelpful (due to roles not being revealed for nightkills which would have all that proposed math running in circles right about now), his lack of input excepting the attempt on me, the fact that he simply agrees with everything anyone says, and the ease with which he jumped onto the Demetrius bandwagon with no evidence besides "Its Demetrius" prior to Dem's roleclaim.

Vote: russianreversal

Although I still believe that RR's actions deserve a lynch, I'm just pointing out Newb is not innocent. There's enough factions for both of them to be scum.

[Ole' Dude With the Face]

Originally Posted by Pink Bunny

There is no evidence that what you have said is true. According to earlier statements he picks a location on a map. Unless the location literally says "Ole' Dude With the Face's House", this assumption is false. If this map which has yet to be provided really does have readings of houses, which I truly doubt, he may as well just say "I'm investigating Ole' Dude.". Instead, he has been picking specific locations to find these conversations.

Okay, you make a good point here. I don't know the specifics of how he picks where he picks to investigate. I simply assumed that he would be able to know where someone's house is and be able to camp outside, due to him having said map and knowledge.

Originally Posted by Pink Bunny

As became obvious over time, misdirection is a solid reason for the events that transpired between Raven's false reading, but you cannot misdirect a MAP. Newb didn't go "I'd like to investigate the Mall" and then a Misdirect guy went "Rofl watch this I'll have him investigate a trash compactor", it wouldn't work like that.

I never said that anyone misdirected Newb. That is the excuse for OctoberRaven to be wrong. I simply said that it is completely possible for him to not be able to discern any more hints on said shadowed figure due to someone elses role, in particular the said shadowed figure. We've seen plenty of uninvestigateable mafiates before. Maybe this is the way that they are portrayed to Newb's role.

[Roy_D_Mylote]

I bet you money that Ole Dude will wind up being some sort of Serial Killer. I'm getting the Norman Bates vibe. I mean, mama's boy?

Course, I'm a loose spender.

[P-Sleazy]

Originally Posted by Ole' Dude With the Face

Actually, as shown, he has been proven to be wrong.

That looks like he was wrong at least once to me.

That didn't prove him wrong. Cause he never ended up investigating Pink Bunny. His investigation results came up on an entirely different person. And the current theory going around right now is that someone performed a switcheroo on Pink Bunny and B_Real the first which explains why he got B_Real the first's role instead of PB's.

So in conclusion, he was not proven wrong because he never recieved investigative results on Pink Bunny to contradict his roleclaim confirmation.

EDIT: Also Roy, if you're thinking that Ole Dude WTF is that kind of scum, then doesn't that mean that Newb's claims don't hold since Ole Dude WTF wouldn't be talking with his mom night 1 but rather killing someone instead?