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Unread 09-12-2009, 06:18 AM   #331
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Amake broke the dial off at twelve but is probably at infinity or something. Amake broke the dial off at twelve but is probably at infinity or something. Amake broke the dial off at twelve but is probably at infinity or something. Amake broke the dial off at twelve but is probably at infinity or something. Amake broke the dial off at twelve but is probably at infinity or something. Amake broke the dial off at twelve but is probably at infinity or something. Amake broke the dial off at twelve but is probably at infinity or something. Amake broke the dial off at twelve but is probably at infinity or something. Amake broke the dial off at twelve but is probably at infinity or something. Amake broke the dial off at twelve but is probably at infinity or something. Amake broke the dial off at twelve but is probably at infinity or something.
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Evil? More like Chaotic Stupid. And unsure. Wah, an NPC I've never seen and never will again is saying mean things, I have to prove him wrong! And punch him in the face. With magic.
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Unread 09-12-2009, 06:21 AM   #332
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No, that is out and out evil.
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Unread 09-12-2009, 06:30 AM   #333
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Amake broke the dial off at twelve but is probably at infinity or something. Amake broke the dial off at twelve but is probably at infinity or something. Amake broke the dial off at twelve but is probably at infinity or something. Amake broke the dial off at twelve but is probably at infinity or something. Amake broke the dial off at twelve but is probably at infinity or something. Amake broke the dial off at twelve but is probably at infinity or something. Amake broke the dial off at twelve but is probably at infinity or something. Amake broke the dial off at twelve but is probably at infinity or something. Amake broke the dial off at twelve but is probably at infinity or something. Amake broke the dial off at twelve but is probably at infinity or something. Amake broke the dial off at twelve but is probably at infinity or something.
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As reassuring as it would be if Evil was defined by pettiness, pride, shortsightedness, immaturity, bad temper, needing to prove yourself and disproportionate lust for revenge, I'm pretty sure those attributes can go with any alignment. >_>
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Unread 09-12-2009, 06:32 AM   #334
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Shooting people with spells likely to kill them for no real cause is evil.
The difference between the alignments is how they act on those attritubes. Acting with extreme violence is evil.
You can have pride and not be evil but putting your pride over the life of other people is pretty much the definition of evil. Having pride so ridiculously extreme is pretty evil.
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Good characters and creatures protect innocent life. Evil characters and creatures debase or destroy innocent life, whether for fun or profit.

"Good" implies altruism, respect for life, and a concern for the dignity of sentient beings. Good characters make personal sacrifices to help others.

"Evil" implies hurting, oppressing, and killing others. Some evil creatures simply have no compassion for others and kill without qualms if doing so is convenient. Others actively pursue evil, killing for sport or out of duty to some evil deity or master.

People who are neutral with respect to good and evil have compunctions against killing the innocent but lack the commitment to make sacrifices to protect or help others. Neutral people are committed to others by personal relationships.

Being good or evil can be a conscious choice. For most people, though, being good or evil is an attitude that one recognizes but does not choose. Being neutral on the good-evil axis usually represents a lack of commitment one way or the other, but for some it represents a positive commitment to a balanced view. While acknowledging that good and evil are objective states, not just opinions, these folk maintain that a balance between the two is the proper place for people, or at least for them.
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Unread 09-12-2009, 06:40 AM   #335
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I assumed a single spell wasn't going to do a lot of damage to anyone at this stage of the campaign. (At least not what looks like a high level wizard.) And the jerk was arguably not innocentasking for it. Obliging him is a good act in my book. . . it's just dumb cause he tries to resist doing it but can't.

Guess I'll wait to see what the spell does before judging.
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Unread 09-12-2009, 06:47 AM   #336
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Shooting people with spells likely to kill them for no real cause is evil.
The difference between the alignments is how they act on those attritubes. Acting with extreme violence is evil.
You can have pride and not be evil but putting your pride over the life of other people is pretty much the definition of evil. Having pride so ridiculously extreme is pretty evil.
I'm pretty sure stabbing the fuck out of people that wound your pride is like 90% of every cliche paladin's roleplay, and paladins are Lawful Good.

Not saying zapping the dude in the face with a lightning bolt wasn't evil, persay, just saying that pride, ego, and honor are the same exact thing--except killing someone over honor is usually a 'good' act so your argument as to WHY it was evil doesn't really stand up.
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Unread 09-12-2009, 06:56 AM   #337
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I assumed a single spell wasn't going to do a lot of damage to anyone at this stage of the campaign. (At least not what looks like a high level wizard.) And the jerk was asking for it. Obliging him is a good act in my book. . . it's just dumb cause he tries to resist doing it but can't.

Guess I'll wait to see what the spell does before judging.
Yeah my point is that skill was kill the majority of the people in the world. And even if it doesn't kill it will cause serious damage, especially to a wizard who have low HP. It's not really justified.

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I'm pretty sure stabbing the fuck out of people that wound your pride is like 90% of every cliche paladin's roleplay, and paladins are Lawful Good.

Not saying zapping the dude in the face with a lightning bolt wasn't evil, persay, just saying that pride, ego, and honor are the same exact thing--except killing someone over honor is usually a 'good' act so your argument as to WHY it was evil doesn't really stand up.
Well not sure how to answer that because any paladin who tried that in my campaign would find all their paladin abilities gone straight away. I mean surely a paladin would find a solution that doesn't involve killing/maiming, especially in such a minor case?
I guess I would have to say that I would at least expect the paladin to give a warning first or organise some kind of duel or something not "I can handle the insult, I can handle the insult, BAM! You are dead!"

I will concede that I possibly interpret the alignments different to other people. My players tend to load up on subdual damage options for a reason .
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V isn't known for Wisdom. He is still impatient and easily angered. And the guy provoked him for diamond dust. Saying every last action he's done (rather than the huge ones such as Familicide as well as saving O-Chul while invisible) is "evil or good" is kinda like making a mountain out of a molehill.

He's Neutral. He's going to have good acts as well as bad acts. Right now, I don't see many good acts coming up for story purposes. But at least we get to see that his "conscience" (Blackwing) is going to be a staple of the party for the time being.
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Unread 09-12-2009, 10:10 AM   #339
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Remind me never to get on the bad side of you guys... Being short tempered doesn't justify murdering people based on that temper.

As for the balancing evil and good V's just been doing evil for a long while now.
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Unread 09-12-2009, 11:19 AM   #340
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I doubt the guys been murdered. Wouldn't it be likely that he has some type of shield but was still blasted off camera?
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