Are you with Coco? - Page 4

Nique · 01-19-2010, 02:53 PM

Anyone catch Jay's statments? This sort of reaffirms my belife that him and Conan are coming from 2 different but completly valid ways of apporaching this situation and they seem to recognize that. Also I'm sick of everyone saying that Conan is being rude or being a baby or whatever - he's making really obvious jabs at Jay during monolouge becuase it's funny but he isn't taking cheap shots or really blaming Jay Leno at all. Hell, they should have each other on their shows to talk about it, it'd probably be hilarious.

And where is everyone getting this idea that Jay is this mastermind or whatever? He's been pretty transparent about what happened.

Odjn · 01-19-2010, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike McC

I honestly don't think the audience overlap for Conan O'Brien and The Colbert Report is as significant as you seem to believe it is.

He's not explaining what is necessarily correct or what you think, he's explaining the reasoning the networks are using to shuffle the shows around, and these are the same kind of people who do stuff like jumble Firefly or cancel Pushing Daisies.

Mike McC · 01-19-2010, 05:23 PM

Except he's not really getting the reasoning at all.

Pretty much, it boils down to "Leno got better ratings in that slot than Conan has been." This is most likely due to his bland, safe humor being more genrally appealing than Conan's wacky antics. Leno at 10 PM EST was not a strong lead-in for the Tonight Show; In fact, it was actually hurting the ratings of the local news and the Tonight Show. Moving him to the 11:35 PM slot would not only potentially regain his lost audience, but provide a much stronger lead-in for Conan at 12:05.

Conan's ratings for the key demographics were on par or slightly exceeding Letterman's ratings, though Letterman was getting higher ratings overall (the mean audience age for Late Night is about 10 years older than Conan, putting a lot more outside that 18-49 butter zone advertisers love). So he wasn't exactly doing terrible, he just wasn't doing as good as Leno had been. And really, if given more time, he might have built on that audience quite a bit. Then again, so could have Leno (in fact, they were counting on him gaining ground during winter reruns and over the summer).

I highly doubt Cable shows or networks entered into consideration at all during this process. This was all based on numbers within NBC itself. If there was any external consideration, it was most likely limited to Letterman and Nightline, The Tonight Show's direct competitors on the other networks.

Solid Snake · 01-19-2010, 05:54 PM

Taiwanese Television Will Save The Day!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ9m1...layer_embedded

EDIT: I particularly like Hulk-Conan v. SuperLeno v. Captain Zucker, with Letterman and Kimmel joining in the fray. =P
And Letterman, Kimmel and all of America appear to have Conan's back in the end!

POS Industries · 01-19-2010, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike McC

Except he's not really getting the reasoning at all.

Pretty much, it boils down to "Leno got better ratings in that slot than Conan has been."

I'm actually giving you part of the reason right there. Lots of people who had been watching either Colbert or Letterman before and then switching over to Conan when he was at 12:35 aren't now that he's up against shows they were already watching. As you said, the average viewer of Letterman is about 10 years older than the average Conan viewer, but the average Colbert viewer is about the same. Colbert gets somewhere around 1.2 million viewers a night, which is about half of what Conan had been pulling in as host of the Tonight Show.

Even if NBC wasn't taking cable network competitor ratings into account, that's still about a million people who otherwise might be more compelled to tune into Conan if they weren't already five minutes into Colbert by the time the Tonight Show started, which would have made the ratings competition between his show and Letterman's far closer. I should know. I'm one of them.

So yeah, Leno got better ratings at that time slot than Conan did because his audience is totally different from Conan's, Colbert's, and Letterman's. He didn't have to compete with two other shows at the same time bringing in similar brands of wacky humor like Conan has.

Mike McC · 01-23-2010, 01:17 AM

ORIGINAL POST:I just gotta ask, do you have the numbers to back this up? Because honestly it just sounds like you're assuming this is the case because you and a group of like-minded friends feel that's the way things are. Which is a really bad way to go about things.

Oh, and FYI, The Daily Show's average audience is 6 years younger than Conan's, and The Colbert Report's mean age is about 9 years younger than Conan's.

NEW NOT DOUBLE POSTED POST!

I'm glad to see he left the show with such class and his head held high. Despite leaving one of the greatest shows in broadcast history, I really think he is the winner. Jeff Zucker is destroying NBC, and now Conan won't be destroyed with it.

Solid Snake · 01-23-2010, 01:27 AM

The ending with Will Ferrell was really poorly done, and not the way I'd prefer to see the show end. (Ferrell making out with the random woman there didn't seem entirely appropriate, but really, my biggest objection was simply that Ferrell stole the spotlight and hogged the camera when O'Brien should have been the center of attention. Tom Hanks did a better job of highlighting how much he'd miss Conan and letting Conan have his moments.)

Aside from that, it was a fine finale. I'll miss Coco but I think that, eventually, NBC will miss him more.

Mike McC · 01-23-2010, 02:52 AM

I think Freebird was the perfect song to exit on. And the straight performance, featuring some impressive musicians there in the lineup (Billy Gibbons of ZZ Top, Ben Harper, Beck) was really well done.

**Satan's Onion** · 01-23-2010, 07:10 AM

I thought it was wonderful. I even choked up a bit when he went all serious about not being cynical, because ~~I'm a complete wimp~~ he has a damn good point.

Aaaaand now I'm buying a Cheap Trick mp3 because otherwise that song is going to be in my head for-fucking-ever.

Archbio · 01-23-2010, 01:18 PM

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I even choked up a bit when he went all serious about not being cynical

Diogenes is really not going to be happy when he hears he's been called out on television.

01-19-2010, 05:23 PM	#33
Mike McC Time is something else. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Wherever I am needed, I will be there. Posts: 5,065	Except he's not really getting the reasoning at all. Pretty much, it boils down to "Leno got better ratings in that slot than Conan has been." This is most likely due to his bland, safe humor being more genrally appealing than Conan's wacky antics. Leno at 10 PM EST was not a strong lead-in for the Tonight Show; In fact, it was actually hurting the ratings of the local news and the Tonight Show. Moving him to the 11:35 PM slot would not only potentially regain his lost audience, but provide a much stronger lead-in for Conan at 12:05. Conan's ratings for the key demographics were on par or slightly exceeding Letterman's ratings, though Letterman was getting higher ratings overall (the mean audience age for Late Night is about 10 years older than Conan, putting a lot more outside that 18-49 butter zone advertisers love). So he wasn't exactly doing terrible, he just wasn't doing as good as Leno had been. And really, if given more time, he might have built on that audience quite a bit. Then again, so could have Leno (in fact, they were counting on him gaining ground during winter reruns and over the summer). I highly doubt Cable shows or networks entered into consideration at all during this process. This was all based on numbers within NBC itself. If there was any external consideration, it was most likely limited to Letterman and Nightline, The Tonight Show's direct competitors on the other networks. __________________ WHERE MIKEY IS IN 2022! tumblrs - http://werewolf.zone twitters - @itmightbemikey

01-19-2010, 05:54 PM	#34
Solid Snake Erotic Esquire Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,563	Taiwanese Television Will Save The Day! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ9m1...layer_embedded EDIT: I particularly like Hulk-Conan v. SuperLeno v. Captain Zucker, with Letterman and Kimmel joining in the fray. =P And Letterman, Kimmel and all of America appear to have Conan's back in the end! __________________ *WARNING:* Snek's all up in this thread. Be prepared to read massive walls of text. Last edited by Solid Snake; 01-19-2010 at 05:56 PM.

01-23-2010, 01:17 AM	#36
Mike McC Time is something else. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Wherever I am needed, I will be there. Posts: 5,065	ORIGINAL POST:I just gotta ask, do you have the numbers to back this up? Because honestly it just sounds like you're assuming this is the case because you and a group of like-minded friends feel that's the way things are. Which is a really bad way to go about things. Oh, and FYI, The Daily Show's average audience is 6 years younger than Conan's, and The Colbert Report's mean age is about 9 years younger than Conan's. NEW NOT DOUBLE POSTED POST! I'm glad to see he left the show with such class and his head held high. Despite leaving one of the greatest shows in broadcast history, I really think he is the winner. Jeff Zucker is destroying NBC, and now Conan won't be destroyed with it. __________________ WHERE MIKEY IS IN 2022! tumblrs - http://werewolf.zone twitters - @itmightbemikey

01-23-2010, 01:27 AM	#37
Solid Snake Erotic Esquire Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,563	The ending with Will Ferrell was really poorly done, and not the way I'd prefer to see the show end. (Ferrell making out with the random woman there didn't seem entirely appropriate, but really, my biggest objection was simply that Ferrell stole the spotlight and hogged the camera when O'Brien should have been the center of attention. Tom Hanks did a better job of highlighting how much he'd miss Conan and letting Conan have his moments.) Aside from that, it was a fine finale. I'll miss Coco but I think that, eventually, NBC will miss him more. __________________ *WARNING:* Snek's all up in this thread. Be prepared to read massive walls of text.

01-23-2010, 02:52 AM	#38
Mike McC Time is something else. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Wherever I am needed, I will be there. Posts: 5,065	I think Freebird was the perfect song to exit on. And the straight performance, featuring some impressive musicians there in the lineup (Billy Gibbons of ZZ Top, Ben Harper, Beck) was really well done. __________________ WHERE MIKEY IS IN 2022! tumblrs - http://werewolf.zone twitters - @itmightbemikey

01-23-2010, 07:10 AM	#39
Satan's Onion Swing You Sinners! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: 4th Street Posts: 2,666	I thought it was wonderful. I even choked up a bit when he went all serious about not being cynical, because ~~I'm a complete wimp~~ he has a damn good point. Aaaaand now I'm buying a Cheap Trick mp3 because otherwise that song is going to be in my head for-fucking-ever. __________________ Good evening, ladies. Please enter and be tained .