Filler? I don't even know 'er! aka the fuck-Bleach [SPOILERS] megathread! - Page 27

greed · 02-10-2010, 03:36 PM

He was probably screaming at them to stop the whole time. Aizen just didn't let the captains hear him til he wanted them to. As for why Ichigo didn't I don't know try and get Hinamori out of there himself....

Edit: Hah I just realised all three of the big shonen mangas had someone die after taking a hit through their chest this week (Hinamori, Karin from Naruto and Ace from One Piece). Shonen Jump got a new impalement happy editor or something?

Aerozord · 02-10-2010, 04:47 PM

cant say I'm suprised. But I am confused. I do not see a time when they could have switched. Aizen appeared and was incased in flames, then she appeared, so unless it was mid-fight or all the way back when he left soul society. Which makes less sense as Aizen was pulling off crap that Hinamori was far too weak for, plus Ichigo wouldn't have attacked her when he appeared.

however it appears that it really is that cheap, Aizen's power is perminant. If you are affected once you are affected for the rest of your life.

Bells · 02-10-2010, 07:53 PM

Since Hinamori was wounded, is likely that Ichigo wouldn't be paying much attention to her... so we can't really say when there was a change.

The only thing that makes sense in all of this is that Gin didn't move... which really.... that was a subtle tip that there was something going on.

Aerozord · 02-10-2010, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bells

Since Hinamori was wounded, is likely that Ichigo wouldn't be paying much attention to her... so we can't really say when there was a change.

yea but he was looking at Aizen, constantly.

on a related note, I dont think his power is as total as he says. No time has he ever created a duplicate of himself without some proxy being there

Bard The 5th LW · 02-10-2010, 08:40 PM

This chapter was confusing. So to add to the potential confusion, I will propose this theory.

the Hinamori they just stabbed weas actually Aizen, the Aizen they are about to stab is just Hinamori. Also, Ichigo is not free from Aizen's illusions, because there would be a sizable plot hole if he was.

Ryong · 02-10-2010, 09:22 PM

Man, you want a crazy theory?

Aizen will be an incredibly hard fight and Gin won't help him and the fight will end with Ichigo killing Aizen. At this point, Gin goes "Ah well." and reveals he was always faking his loyalty. Also: Aizen isn't as strong as he looks - everything's an illusion from his shikai. He's strong for a captain, yes, but he's no crazy take-on-everyone-else strong.

Bells · 02-10-2010, 09:59 PM

Or we can learn from this chapter and consider that Gin and Aizen switch places all the time .

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yea but he was looking at Aizen, constantly.

Indeed! So, either Ichigo is under Aizen's spell and don't know it, or He Switched in the middle of the whole brawl and things were just too fast for Ichigo to do anything (he WAS Yelling but Aizen turned that off for everyone else)

You know the movie "Scream" where there were 2 people as the actual Killer behind the mask? I think Aizen and Gin are working like that.

Wigmund · 02-10-2010, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bells

So, either Ichigo is under Aizen's spell and don't know it, or He Switched in the middle of the whole brawl and things were just too fast for Ichigo to do anything (he WAS Yelling but Aizen turned that off for everyone else)

I've been wondering about this.

When Ichigo first attacked Aizen after porting in, wouldn't that mean that Ichigo has seen Aizen's shikai? (Assuming Aizen's not bluffing about always having his blade in shikai mode)

Aerozord · 02-10-2010, 11:18 PM

its seeing it released that causes the effect, not in its released state, I think

Sithdarth · 02-11-2010, 02:12 AM

Yes you have to see that actual moment of release. That is why Aizen gathered up every high level soul reaper to demonstrate his fake power. He wanted them all to see the moment of release. After that he had complete control of their senses or so he says. There is probably something about his shikai release that prevents him from just releasing or he would probably have done it by now. It would be funny if it was a one time only thing and then it got stuck in shikai and all this worry about Ichigo being ruined is for nothing.

02-10-2010, 04:47 PM	#262
Aerozord So we are clear Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Former murder capital of the world Posts: 13,824	cant say I'm suprised. But I am confused. I do not see a time when they could have switched. Aizen appeared and was incased in flames, then she appeared, so unless it was mid-fight or all the way back when he left soul society. Which makes less sense as Aizen was pulling off crap that Hinamori was far too weak for, plus Ichigo wouldn't have attacked her when he appeared. however it appears that it really is that cheap, Aizen's power is perminant. If you are affected once you are affected for the rest of your life. __________________ "don't hate me for being a heterosexual white guy disparaging slacktivism, hate me for all those murders I've done."

02-10-2010, 07:53 PM	#263
Bells That's so PC of you Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: In a Server-sided Dimension where time is meaningless Posts: 10,490	Since Hinamori was wounded, is likely that Ichigo wouldn't be paying much attention to her... so we can't really say when there was a change. The only thing that makes sense in all of this is that Gin didn't move... which really.... that was a subtle tip that there was something going on. __________________ *BELLS STORE : Clothes! You wear* them! Free US Shipping Subscription System? WTF?! Zazzle Black!**

02-10-2010, 11:18 PM	#269
Aerozord So we are clear Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Former murder capital of the world Posts: 13,824	its seeing it released that causes the effect, not in its released state, I think __________________ "don't hate me for being a heterosexual white guy disparaging slacktivism, hate me for all those murders I've done."

02-10-2010, 08:40 PM	#265
Bard The 5th LW Feelin' Super! Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 4,191	This chapter was confusing. So to add to the potential confusion, I will propose this theory. the Hinamori they just stabbed weas actually Aizen, the Aizen they are about to stab is just Hinamori. Also, Ichigo is not free from Aizen's illusions, because there would be a sizable plot hole if he was.

02-10-2010, 09:22 PM	#266
Ryong Professional Threadkiller Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Brazil Posts: 3,798	Man, you want a crazy theory? Aizen will be an incredibly hard fight and Gin won't help him and the fight will end with Ichigo killing Aizen. At this point, Gin goes "Ah well." and reveals he was always faking his loyalty. Also: Aizen isn't as strong as he looks - everything's an illusion from his shikai. He's strong for a captain, yes, but he's no crazy take-on-everyone-else strong.

02-11-2010, 02:12 AM	#270
Sithdarth Friendly Neighborhood Quantum Hobo Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Outside the M-brane look'n in Posts: 5,403	Yes you have to see that actual moment of release. That is why Aizen gathered up every high level soul reaper to demonstrate his fake power. He wanted them all to see the moment of release. After that he had complete control of their senses or so he says. There is probably something about his shikai release that prevents him from just releasing or he would probably have done it by now. It would be funny if it was a one time only thing and then it got stuck in shikai and all this worry about Ichigo being ruined is for nothing.