Pok�mon Umbral Discussion 6: Name That Nagarai! - Page 6

Dracorion · 03-23-2010, 06:31 PM

Getting to go half-demon might not be on par with dual-classing.

First of all, Pierce was pondering about the netherworld first, and demonic powers are only a stone's throw away from that. Second of all, Pierce's agenda of "do the right thing" could use some demonic goodness in it. Third of all, he would totally accept half-demon powers if offered.

As for your bit at the end there, Pierce would still say fuck you and then kick Impact's ass, superpowers or no.

Not to mention if Impact is the only one that gets to go half-demon Pierce will throw a hissy fit like you would not believe. He's already going to fight against Impact and Charlotte getting it even if it's available for everyone.

Geminex · 03-23-2010, 08:41 PM

Actually, my post in which Impact mused on demonic power came before yours. Also, I think it was myself who first mentioned the possibility of going semi-demonic. My fucking idea. Get your own way of becoming overpowered.

Secondly, since when does Pierce have an agenda? He hasn't ever mentioned doing the right thing, the only motivation you've given for him joining the Watchmen was "better pay and better battles". And while I'll admit that "better battles" could possibly include the acquisition of more power, it's fucking vague.

And why wouldn't it be on par with dual-classing? If you were to go battle master you'd benefit from all the weapons and upgrades I have at my disposal, as well as all the trainer upgrades. If there's balancing issues, AB can tackle those, by making semi-demonic classes more or less powerful accordingly.

And how on earth would Pierce stop them? D'you think Impact's gonna put this to a vote? He'll talk to the Kimonos himself.

Bard The 5th LW · 03-23-2010, 08:48 PM

You both need to be quiet, because I'm pretty sure Charlotte has mused the idea of Demonic hell-powers since the age of three. She came up with it off screen 26 in-game years ago.

Dracorion · 03-23-2010, 09:40 PM

Shush. Charlotte has no penis to be measured, she has no say in this.

Geminex · 03-23-2010, 10:11 PM

Actually, never mind. I suddenly realize why I'm so possessive of this. When I suggested this, I never intended it to be purely a combat upgrade. I want this to be character development.

If this were just combat, I'd probably be annoyed that I'm not the only one doing this, but I'd just claim credit and act smug, so that'd be fine.
But really, I've been linking this to Impact's personality, and his quest. He wants power over society. He tries this politically. He'll try it demonically.

And that's the reason, really. He won't want the demon powers to be badass and better at combat. He'd ask primarily for the power to influence people's minds, to gain their hearts and minds, to grasp them by their emotions, to persuade and manipulate, he'd want them, all of them, to recognize the problem they live with and refuse to deal with, he'd ask for the power, not to kill them all, but to make them realize, and make them march in the streets, the sound of their lockstep echoing the heartbeat of a unified society, a society fighting against the plague that's been festering in its heart.
Or something along those lines.

Anyway, character development. Not combat.

Also, as Renny mentioned, there'd be quite a bit of hypocrisy inherent in his gaining power from another source, considering his agenda. So there's even more potential for development and conflict there.

And when character development's involved, what I really crave is originality. Having everyone else do exactly what I'm doing wouldn't really make this development unique at all. Which, in turn, takes all the fun out of it.

So please? See if you can find another way to make yourselves badass?

Menarker · 03-23-2010, 10:11 PM

... Well, Renny with demon powers is weird and unthinkable... How about angelic abilities? I mean Kyrie is angelic...

(Although her personality would give Renny ulcers.)

Mind you, I'm not even thinking of demon or demonic powers remotely seriously until all the other upgrades are dealt with. ^^

Dracorion · 03-23-2010, 10:43 PM

Nyeeeeeeeeh.

Pierce isn't the kind of guy that would go Pokebrid. Not even Ruin-type Pokebrid. So I'm all out of non-stupid/crazy/convoluted ways to achieve ultimate badassery.

I mean, I get where you're coming from. I've got my own plans for Pierce's non-evil character development, and half-demon powers certainly would help with that (not the powers themselves, rather what would lead to getting them). But they're not strictly necessary, it depends on what AB throws at us.

In short, nyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh.

Geminex · 03-23-2010, 11:02 PM

If you want Pierce to have to sacrifice something, we can arrange that.

...

Seriously, what are the chances of Impact getting your characters onto his side of the political struggle? In percent?
I think I could get Charlotte fairly easily, if I keep her on a long leash.
Pierce... not sure about Pierce.
Renny's a possibility if I base my arguments on compassion.
Matt's an unknown quantity.

DanteFalcon · 03-23-2010, 11:23 PM

Matthias is more or less his own side. He'll support whoever he believes is the best candidate for furthering his goals. This could include the enemies.

Geminex · 03-23-2010, 11:24 PM

What are his goals in the first place?

03-23-2010, 06:31 PM	#51
Dracorion Moves Like Jagger, Kupo! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: To the south, a little to the left... Or to the right. Posts: 4,910	Getting to go half-demon might not be on par with dual-classing. First of all, Pierce was pondering about the netherworld first, and demonic powers are only a stone's throw away from that. Second of all, Pierce's agenda of "do the right thing" could use some demonic goodness in it. Third of all, he would totally accept half-demon powers if offered. As for your bit at the end there, Pierce would still say fuck you and then kick Impact's ass, superpowers or no. Not to mention if Impact is the only one that gets to go half-demon Pierce will throw a hissy fit like you would not believe. He's already going to fight against Impact and Charlotte getting it even if it's available for everyone. __________________ Dracorion's dumbass color is Royal Blue. If you see that color, you better run the fuck away. Last edited by Dracorion; 03-23-2010 at 06:42 PM.

03-23-2010, 09:40 PM	#54
Dracorion Moves Like Jagger, Kupo! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: To the south, a little to the left... Or to the right. Posts: 4,910	Shush. Charlotte has no penis to be measured, she has no say in this. __________________ Dracorion's dumbass color is Royal Blue. If you see that color, you better run the fuck away.

03-23-2010, 10:11 PM	#56
Menarker OMG! WHAT SHOULD I DO NOW? Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,802	... Well, Renny with demon powers is weird and unthinkable... How about angelic abilities? I mean Kyrie is angelic... (Although her personality would give Renny ulcers.) Mind you, I'm not even thinking of demon or demonic powers remotely seriously until all the other upgrades are dealt with. ^^ __________________ THE BIO OF RENNY TRESSERHORN THE BIOs OF POKEMON UMBRAL! Last edited by Menarker; 03-23-2010 at 10:16 PM.

03-23-2010, 10:43 PM	#57
Dracorion Moves Like Jagger, Kupo! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: To the south, a little to the left... Or to the right. Posts: 4,910	Nyeeeeeeeeh. Pierce isn't the kind of guy that would go Pokebrid. Not even Ruin-type Pokebrid. So I'm all out of non-stupid/crazy/convoluted ways to achieve ultimate badassery. I mean, I get where you're coming from. I've got my own plans for Pierce's non-evil character development, and half-demon powers certainly would help with that (not the powers themselves, rather what would lead to getting them). But they're not strictly necessary, it depends on what AB throws at us. In short, nyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh. __________________ Dracorion's dumbass color is Royal Blue. If you see that color, you better run the fuck away.

03-23-2010, 11:02 PM	#58
Geminex SOM3WH3R3 Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 4,606	If you want Pierce to have to sacrifice something, we can arrange that. ... Seriously, what are the chances of Impact getting your characters onto his side of the political struggle? In percent? I think I could get Charlotte fairly easily, if I keep her on a long leash. Pierce... not sure about Pierce. Renny's a possibility if I base my arguments on compassion. Matt's an unknown quantity. Last edited by Geminex; 03-23-2010 at 11:05 PM.

03-23-2010, 08:41 PM	#52
Geminex SOM3WH3R3 Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 4,606	Actually, my post in which Impact mused on demonic power came before yours. Also, I think it was myself who first mentioned the possibility of going semi-demonic. My fucking idea. Get your own way of becoming overpowered. Secondly, since when does Pierce have an agenda? He hasn't ever mentioned doing the right thing, the only motivation you've given for him joining the Watchmen was "better pay and better battles". And while I'll admit that "better battles" could possibly include the acquisition of more power, it's fucking vague. And why wouldn't it be on par with dual-classing? If you were to go battle master you'd benefit from all the weapons and upgrades I have at my disposal, as well as all the trainer upgrades. If there's balancing issues, AB can tackle those, by making semi-demonic classes more or less powerful accordingly. And how on earth would Pierce stop them? D'you think Impact's gonna put this to a vote? He'll talk to the Kimonos himself.

03-23-2010, 08:48 PM	#53
Bard The 5th LW Feelin' Super! Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 4,191	You both need to be quiet, because I'm pretty sure Charlotte has mused the idea of Demonic hell-powers since the age of three. She came up with it off screen 26 in-game years ago.

03-23-2010, 11:23 PM	#59
DanteFalcon Birdy Bard Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Japanland Posts: 501	Matthias is more or less his own side. He'll support whoever he believes is the best candidate for furthering his goals. This could include the enemies.

03-23-2010, 11:24 PM	#60
Geminex SOM3WH3R3 Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 4,606	What are his goals in the first place?