Pok?mon Umbral Discussion 10: PvPing Inside and Outside the RP

[Menarker]

Well, Drac, your best bet would be to catch it during the potential "sleepover" part of the party when it for some reason preys on the sleeping Snorlax. Other than that, no known murders or crimes in Renny's location which is technically a short drive away from "civilization", so it's a semi-rural home.

Also, some in-game reasons why Renny would have been chosen by Rayleen.
1: Shows high degree of competence (like the rest of you).
2: Showed professionalism in some other way. While Impact said that Renny's hugs and optimism goes poorly on his "resume", Rachel and other witnesses might believe that the other members berating and causing a scene regarding Shannon in the previous mission to be just as bad if not worse (Poor Rachel practically had to scream and shout to shut everyone up and calm them down). That Renny behaves in his particular way seem to be a boon since they helped make former enemies much more amiable toward the group. (Assume that Rachel/Lola/Shannon passed this info on to Rayleen given her absence.)
3: I'm just making a conjecture here, but given how Shannon seem to be favorable to Renny and likewise by association, her boyfriend Moon might be favorable to him and that Evanganlee is also joining in the mission as well (which I didn't expect), I figured that most of the "Evil Eevee Eight" have approved of Renny and don't mind him as a leader. The fact that they might have approved of him may be significant if they wouldn't listen to the others very much given the sort of ill will and treatment that they had been given, and Rayleen might think that since they'll follow Renny, more resources is more resources.

Also, Geminex, think of this as your mind control being approved already perhaps. :3 What's the point of having Mind Control if you already got the "reward" given to you already? Once you got that ability, the scene would shift more in your favor as you have the chance to actually show if you're talented and clever enough to use the power effectively. ^,^

And Damn, that Enmakki has such high base stats. If that gets approved, I'm going to have to consider making a pokemon with base stats equal to that. I know I got a "legendary" already, but her power is technically equal to a psuedo legendary, and with a type that is considered to be weak.

I'll consider the age ret-con... but not having the party the same day as the birthday. But yeah, 18 is still pretty young, barely an adult.

Also: Renny will be riding Togekiss on the way to the house, guiding the van driving you guys to the estate.

EDIT: Also! Personality fleshing! Butterfree and Electrode have their little quirks, but Snorlax is special in the family.

Snorlax: His behavior is very much like most of his kinds, in that he loves to eat and sleep. However, when dealing with those he REALLY cares about, Snorlax is like the combination of Dionysus and a genie! A passionate love for food, drinks, and resting, he shares his hedonistic glory with others. Family member asked him for a drink? He probably might end up giving you a full blown milkshake instead of just water. Need help with grocery shopping? He'll gladly lift up a crapload of stuff in antipication of the dinner that might come. He'll eat hard, party hard, sleep hard and "bend over backward" (well, as much as a fatty like Snorlax can) to make his family enjoy the experience too.

[Dracorion]

Well, I liked Enmakki having 680 points because it puts it on par with Mewtwo, , Lugia, Ho-Oh, Rayquaza, Dialga, Palkia and Giratina. Basically, one of the higher-end legendaries.

It would suck, but I suppose I could drop it to like 670, 660, 650 or 640. Preferably 670.

But I'd rather wait for AB's opinion.

And damnit, I knew Pierce being a jerk to Shannon was going to come back to bite me. If it helps, he took it back almost immediately. And, considering his background, he didn't really mean it.

And really, why can't there be some murders in the area? It'd provide an alternate reason for the team to go there, and justify why anyone would stay for a sleepover, what's wrong with that?

EDIT: And Geminex, I really really want Enmakki to have Spore. I mean, it's not like legendaries don't get to pick moves from a large variety of types. But I realize with Enmakki and Dialga on the way, Pierce's team is in danger of getting too overpowered. I mean, he'd end up with Tyranitar, Blaziken, Metagross, Nagarai, Enmakki and Dialga. That's three pseudo-legendaries, two legendaries and a Blaziken. If not Spore, can it at least get Dark Void?

[Menarker]

I agree to wait until AB post. You'd never know. ^^ I don't mind if your individual pokemons are that high in power as long as I get somewhat of a chance too, even though I'm intentionally putting a self-restriction on myself. (Only the 6 pokemon I choose and none other unless they get captured or otherwise unusable.) And it helps that there is a precedent given how Slaking is not legendary but pretty close in power (although it has quite a drawback to it). Although yes, your team does look very much like a deliberate attempt to be excessively power packed. :3

Pierce may not have meant what he said and he may have apologized but in character, Rachel and the others don't know that he didn't mean it, and that only Renny (out of the PCs) behaved "professionally" or at least tried to calm the situation. Of course, this is mainly a conjecture of mine, even though it would make sense to me.

On a side note, I had an interesting daydream about a week ago about a future mission.
Fayoc's organization decides to cause havoc again, but this time causing four ruin generals to operate. Two, water and flying, would operate over the oceans. And the other two, fire and ground (rock perhaps as a substitute) inside or above a volcano far away from the other location. The general idea being that if the team chooses to split up, then two generals would make them hell. If they left one alone, then the other would succeed in their plan. To make matter worse, perhaps the situation is so dire that either of them succeeding means that they both win. The team would have to split up, figure out how to divide the team and how to fight.
The water/wind team would have a significant disadvantage due to having no stable surface (except perhaps a boat which we better hope doesn't get sunk) and that only pokemon that can dive/surf can be able to fight underwater for prolonged periods of time and only flying pokemons or those with high accuracy or sky-hitting attacks would be able to fight the flying general. The fire and ground team would probably have their own sets of problems (cave-ins, heat and all that).
Both teams would end up encountering some legendary pokemons (Lugia for the water team and Ho-oh for the fire team, maybe a few others.) And I imagine some of the Kimonos would show some promise. (Especially the android catgirl who may or may not have jetpacks or rocket boots to fight in the air.)

If something like this DOES happen, I would call dibs on the water/air team by virtue of having two flying pokemons if you count Shaymin's flying form, an electric type which is super effective on both of them, a water pokemon which can fight the water type... and Umbreon is really small, so it could feasibly ride the surfer or flyer. :3

BONUS points for if the trainers have to ride their surfer or flying pokemons during combat to chase after the ruin general. Hell, for a moment, I thought of Renny riding Togekiss, Pierce riding Skarmory and Charlotte riding Aerodactyl in a sort of Alpha swoop all doing attacks like Wind Slash, Brave Bird, Sky Attack and all that. :3

Ah well, quite the daydream. ^,^

EDIT: Pierce, in regards to the murder idea... I said no "known murders". ^.~
The family would be silly and stupid to buy a home in a location that was known for rampant violence.

As for why a sleep over? You'll see. :3

EDIT: Any particular reason why this pokemon is capable of all the HMs? Even Mewtwo and other legendaries had various limitations on HMs. For this pokemon, I can easily imagine Rock Smash, Cut, Flash, Defog and perhaps Rock Climb. But the other moves seem out of place. I know your pokemon is a bit of a shapeshifter like Ditto, but somehow, I thought it was more for the intimidation and not so much functional in terms of granting it abilities of other types.

[Dracorion]

Pierce wouldn't be much use in either fight, type-wise. If he still doesn't have Dialga, he'd have Kingdra for the fire/ground fight, and Aria for the water fight. Dialga and Metagross would get slaughtered in fire, Tyranitar and Blaziken in water. While he'd still have Starmie, Skarmory and (possibly) Kingdra in storage, I can't see Pierce switching his team around much. Tyranitar, Blaziken, Nagarai, Metagross, Enmakki and Dialga are pretty much his permanent team members.

Although he'd probably vote to be in whichever team didn't have Renny. Because Pierce still finds Renny mildly annoying and I'd rather have Pierce and Impact butt heads.

The murders would have taken place recently, as in the last week, so if Renny's parents have been living in the place for a while they may not want to move, since it hasn't happened to them or their neighbors. Hell, they could take precautions against robbers/murderers and pokemon, but they wouldn't work because this is a legendary.

As for Enmakki's HMs, at first I didn't give it any. But then I realized there's no reason why it couldn't turn into a bird and flap away any fog, or fly, or turn into a big pokemon and smash a rock, since that's what HMs are outside of battle. In battle, it'd use Transform.

We could just give it no HMs initially and just take the HMs available to whatever it transforms into.

The reasoning for Pierce's permanent team is: Tyranitar for being Pierce's favorite pokemon, closest friend, possible gay partner, and whatnot. Blaziken for being Tyranitar's life partner, Aria for being effective against Ruin-types, Metagross because it proved itself during the mansion mission, Enmakki and Dialga for being badass legendaries.

[Geminex]

I think Dark Void would be fine, and hell, I have no authority. I don't want to spoil your fun, I won't complain if you get spore. Maybe not call it spore, though. Same effects as spore, but maybe make it dark type, just a bit more appropriate. Not sure what you'd call the attack, but I'll leave that up to you. Nobody uses HMs in combat anyway, so get as many as you like, I guess.

Though one thought.

Darkrai has the "terrorize people in their dreams" thing down already. But from how you've described Enmakki, I could totally imagine it going for a general "Mindrape" style of battle. Dream eater and whatever variation of spore can be part of its moveset, but if you're creative, I'm sure you could come up with some other stuff. Like, instead of "Bad Dreams", why not give it, say, "Mockery": Enmakki turns into a grotesque parody of its current target, the target's stats get reduced across the board. Your "spore" variation could be the whole "Psychologically Mutilate your target" bit, Enmaki terrorizes the target so thoroughly that they fall into a sort of dark Coma. When they're in this coma, that's when Enmaki can take their souls, with its variation of "Dream eater".

Hell, while we're at it, it can be attracted to the Scythetip that Impact brought along, tries to ambush their orgy sleepover.

As for being overpowered, there's always time for balancing later. And by "balancing" I mean "SLAYER UPGRADES, FUCK YEAH".

As for Menarker's daydream... Doesn't sound that excellent. First of all, we'd need one hell of a support team to take on four Generals and their forces, secondly, the whole "split the party, visit two thematically appropriate dungeons, strike heroic killing blows!" idea doesn't appeal that much. Bit too melodramatic.

...

And the only one who gets to be melodramatic is me.

But let's wait for AB's opinion.

[Menarker]

Yes, AB opinion. The part of my daydream that struck me as awesome was the twist in the water/air bit where the trainers and perhaps the support members would need to rely on their pokemons not just for attacking but for their very own survival. Like how Renny wouldn't be able to give orders to his pokemon if they were fighting too high in the sky, or if they were fighting an underwater general, they would have to hope their pokemon can protect them from drowning if they got knocked off the boat for example.

You ever played Seikenku Densetsu? That battle where the heros fought the Wind Beast by riding the dragon Flammie and fighting an airborne battle? Kinda a bit like that. :3

But I do think the daydream isn't the best idea. But like I said, just something that came up to me. :3

[Dracorion]

You want me to make up, like, four different skills for Enmakki?

Jesus Christ man, I had to spend like, a whole twenty minutes just to come up with the bastard.

Sure, I could come up with variations of Dream Eater and Spore, but they'd end up doing the exact same thing, so what's the point?

Also, no to Mockery. I want Enmakki to be able to fight in it's "cloud of darkness" form, not transform straight off the bat like an ability like Mockery would do.

EDIT: You know what we need? Specific opportunies for specific characters to be badass. Like, say, a back-to-back corridor battle with Pierce and Impact facing down endless hordes of pokemon on both sides. Just imagine:

Impact: Tch. We really stepped in it now.
Pierce: What, you can't handle this many? Pussy.
Impact: And you can?
Pierce: Hell yeah.
Impact: Well, I'm not losing to you. Not to a filthy coward that hides behind beasts.
Pierce: (Maniacal laugh, runs off to kill shit) AHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Pierce would of course be a Battle Master by then, and without his pokemon for some reason.

Charlotte would get a badass kick-the-dog moment. If my example isn't enough for Impact, he can have one after he gets mind control where everything goes perfectly and he accomplishes something big (perhaps his takeover of the world, but probably not). Not sure about Renny or Matthias.

[Geminex]

If my example isn't enough for Impact, he can have one after he gets mind control where everything goes perfectly and he accomplishes something big (perhaps his takeover of the world, but probably not).

We will assume that his takeover of Homnyr will be positively punctuated by crowning moments of awesome.
But one that I'll actually write...
*grin*
There's a character I'm thinking of... Female... Badass, rather... but oh-so-very... impudent. Impudent enough to promote a trainer over Impact.

I assume that Rayleen will fight with us in whatever final battle we'll face. Impact will fight by her side. He will make sure of that.
...
Rayleen will perish heroically. Or so it will appear.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I just got back from camping and I'm thrilled to see this back! I was worried this might die. I wouldn't be too depressed about the other RPs going, but this one has a special place in my heart.

Anyways, I hyave nothing important to say for now, so I'll probably be a bit silent until AB makes another update.

[Menarker]

You said it. ^^ Very successful and engaging. The drama both in and out of the RP is awesome.

And of course, the fanservice. ^___________________^ *Lusty grin*

I hope AB knows that the website URL is a bit different now and that he isn't just trying to reload the page from favorites every time. You think one of us should send him an email?