Hurfworld? No - Erfworld!

[Raiden]

Originally Posted by tacticslion

Actually, I think I understand why we aren't seeing more Parson: he doesn't want us to. The end of book one pretty clearly emphasized that Parson isn't playing ball with the god-like force that's controlling the world and is, in fact, purposefully attempting to downplay his part.

As for Jillian, I agree, she's making a choad of "mistakes" and "bad choices". However, so did Parson. In fact, Parson's entire friggin' military was ready to abandon him because he made so many "mistakes" - mistakes that was, more or less, experimentation to learn the limits of what you can or cannot do. I think, in her own emotional non-reasoning way, that this is exactly what Jillian is doing. She wants Ansom back and so is playing around with the new rules - introduced by Parson - and is attempting to learn them. Really, she's doing what everyone in Erfworld should be doing, but she's doing it for the "wrong" reason - hers. Parson did it just to stay alive. Also, Jillian is, in many ways, like a child. She's never had responsibility for others, so she's still learning how to use it.

All that said, I find the character interplay rediculously fascinating. Each of the characters has, so far, displayed properties that I've, in parts, found admirable and aggrivating. Even Parson, in his insistance upon being pointlessly vulgar - just to break the power over him, but it's not a positive trait. Anyhoo, I like it - even the parts I don't 'like' - as it makes them real.

Difference between Parson making mistakes and Jillian making mistakes is that Parson was using rules from the Real World in a fake world. Jillian KNOWS how that world works, she's just letting her side take major losses/try to sell out her side/do everything stupid because she has a crush on her ex-boyfriend and her old dominatrix. Parson meanwhile learned the rules and overcame it. Jillian will only win (which isn't looking likely) because four different factions are pushing and giving her aid and support.

I also like Parson more because he understands that what he does has consequences, while Jillian sees everyone besides herself, Ansom, and the woman who put her under a spell as expendable. She even distracted one of her side's MAJOR warlords and watched him die just because he had the GALL to try and KILL THEIR ENEMY.

Jillian is boring, predictable, and a horrible horrible warlord. I'm tired of her and tired of watching her flail about like a child who lost her toy while multiple kings and influential people try to satisfy her with other toys.

But that's just my opinion.

EDIT: Dammit Loyal, now Jack's voice is only coming out as Morgan Freeman.

[Fifthfiend]

You're blaming Jillian for playing badly at a game she's not playing. She's pursuing the objectives she's pursuing because those are the only reason she gives a shit about this fight in the first place, and her allies know that, because holding out one of those objectives was the entire way they got her to join their side.

Jillian "wins" if she 1. brings Ansom back to her side, 2. brings Wanda to her side, 3. kills Stanley as revenge for (in her view) taking away 1 and 2. Don King and Charlie are helping her pursue those goals because they believe her doing so will work out to their benefit. If it doesn't then oh well, they bet wrong. She's a means to an end for them and in turn they're a means to an end for her.

And I mean as far as Sammy of Hagar, you're talking about a guy who was only on the field for the sake of seeing if he'd be able to kill whoever won, which very well could have included Jillian; he had to be threatened into taking an actual side. What reason is there for Jillian to care what happens to him?

[BitVyper]

All in all, I think Charlie and the Don have underestimated her. I get the feeling neither were expecting her to have plans of her own.

[Raiden]

Originally Posted by Fifthfiend

You're blaming Jillian for playing badly at a game she's not playing. She's pursuing the objectives she's pursuing because those are the only reason she gives a shit about this fight in the first place, and her allies know that, because holding out one of those objectives was the entire way they got her to join their side.

Which is a dangerous game considering she's made it dang clear she's more than willing to let her entire side die just so she'd get to hang out with her zombie ex-boyfriend and the girl she has a crush on. Which really doesn't cancel my claim of "she's a horrible warlord".

Jillian "wins" if she 1. brings Ansom back to her side, 2. brings Wanda to her side, 3. kills Stanley as revenge for (in her view) taking away 1 and 2. Don King and Charlie are helping her pursue those goals because they believe her doing so will work out to their benefit. If it doesn't then oh well, they bet wrong. She's a means to an end for them and in turn they're a means to an end for her.

Except right now she's actively doing everything in her power to make sure her side becomes weaker and weaker while strengthening Gobwin Knob, which is run by the man she hates. I don't even mind people who double-cross, but at least those people do it intelligently. Her actions so far have been that of a character we're supposed to despise and then laugh as their arrogance and pride get them killed in the field, not one we're supposed to root for or even like.

And I mean as far as Sammy of Hagar, you're talking about a guy who was only on the field for the sake of seeing if he'd be able to kill whoever won, which very well could have included Jillian; he had to be threatened into taking an actual side. What reason is there for Jillian to care what happens to him?

Yeah, and Charlie had him coerced to play ball. His death not only made all his units immensely weaker (he himself said most of his troops were only effective because he was in the field with them), but also means the defending side now has a crapload of unled grunts and troops that are just milling about until they announce their faction's new Warlord, who I guarantee will be much weaker than Sammy.


I get that she's not out to win for her side, but it doesn't make her enjoyable to read about. It makes her boring and predictable. She's going to screw over her side, she's going to put everyone at stake to convert someone who, as hinted strongly in the last comic, likely cannot be converted because he is a walking corpse who's been brainwashed into intense loyalty to the witch who brought him back to life.

And I want to read more about Parson because Parson's the one who plays Xanatos Gambits WELL, and the stuff he does is so interesting and great to read that it's such a shame this entire arc so far has been Dawson's Creek with Swords.

[Fifthfiend]

Hmmmmmmm. Point.

I would be happier if the comic were featuring like 300% more Trammenis, he seems like the sort of character I could be convinced to care about.

[Malek]

Originally Posted by Raiden

Except right now she's actively doing everything in her power to make sure her side becomes weaker and weaker while strengthening Gobwin Knob, which is run by the man she hates. I don't even mind people who double-cross, but at least those people do it intelligently. Her actions so far have been that of a character we're supposed to despise and then laugh as their arrogance and pride get them killed in the field, not one we're supposed to root for or even like.

She's not really done anything that has weakened her side that much, outside of letting Sammy get killed, but he probably would have been either way. If she'd been able to tell Wanda about her deal with Charlie, she might have been able to turn her, and if it wasn't for Jillian's turnamancer, Jetstone would have been demolished several comics ago. (Although that is more Charlie's doing than Jillian's.)

[Raiden]

I wanna see more Sizemore. Dude's been hiding himself pretty good in this arc so far and we really haven't had much chance to see what he looks like in this new style.

[Loyal]

New update.

I can't decide whether to interpret the warlord's face in the last panel as either "You think she's a good queen?" or "Uh... did you just say you wished to be a queen, sir?" Or which would be funnier for that matter.

[Fifthfiend]

Half the queen, holy shit.

Tramennis owns, make him the comic, kill everybody else.

[tacticslion]

Originally Posted by Fifthfiend

Half the queen

Well, he would only have half the X chromosomes... if their world works that way, which I'm pretty sure it doesn't.