Jumping the gun: Batman in 2012

[bluestarultor]

Originally Posted by Eldezar

I am ok with Michelle not playing the traditional role of Catwoman or some variation of a dominant Catwoman because I am biased against Catwoman and pretty much think the only good Catwoman is from Batman: TAS and TNBA. If Michelle can play Catwoman like that, that would be amazing, and I am now mildly interested in Gossip girl to see what else she is capable of.

Harley is also a viable option, though I think that would be difficult to do (though not impossible) without recasting Joker so we can see the relationship between those two. If you have seen The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus then you would see there are two fairly decent replacements for Ledger with another (Depp) being an unsatisfactory replacement but still could make an interesting performance in his own right.

It would be kind of nice to get a Superman/Batman live-action movie. Both DC and Marvel have gotten better about acknowledging other heroes within their universes, but it still seems that there could be more interaction. I think we need a new Superman, though. Wonder what Welling is doing...

See, I think that re-writing Harley could actually work well in this case. Maybe you only need something saying she had some connection to Joker, like, I dunno, his daughter or something, but it might be interesting to not have that kind of arbitrary baggage attached. Maybe she was only told somehow she was his daughter or maybe somehow just looked up to him, but for whatever reason, decided to follow in his footsteps after the fact. You could do a whole "girl, you're making a mistake" type of thing there, only to have it turn out that it's actually a mistake to underestimate her, because she's wholly dedicated to it for all the horrifyingly right reasons and is just as or possibly even more dangerous than Joker was. You could pull an entirely different, but even more terrifying, form of psychotic with her, where she's just out to have fun, and by "having fun" I mean committing acts that would make the Joker himself blush with naught but a visage of childish glee. She could be absolutely, irredeemably psychotic with the advantage of a seeming innocence inherent to her that throws people off and makes them underestimate and misjudge her without any intentional manipulation on her part.

Basically, Harley could be fucking terrifying.



On Supes, I think the character needs a rest. The public hasn't forgotten about his last horrible failure and to be frank, not a single one of his movies has been anything above okay in my opinion. There's not much you can do with a character whose abilities amount to "being better than everyone at everything" and for whom several cosmic characters have to be created on a weekly basis just so that he can pummel them in a slightly less unfair fight. Let's be honest here, I get that his planet exploded, but statistically, there just aren't enough glowing green rocks to go around and it's lazy and uninteresting to have to constantly throw them around as a fallback.

Don't get me wrong, with a good writer, he can be great, but there's been zero evidence that it's liable to happen on the silver screen.

[Fifthfiend]

Three should have been The Two-Face Movie but they decided to cram his entire plot into the last 15 minutes of DK so I dunno.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

Was TDK better or worse for having Two-Face?

[Fifthfiend]

It was definitely better for having Harvey Dent. Two-Face, nots'much.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

Two-Face couldn't have held a movie on his own due to his characterization.

Catwoman and Riddler could keep the plot going while Dick Grayson could offes a new view on things.

[Kim]

Fuck all y'all.

Movie needs Niel Patrick Harris as Music Meister.

Any attempts to convince me that that would not be the best thing ever in live action format are terrible lies.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Originally Posted by NonCon

Fuck all y'all.

Movie needs Niel Patrick Harris as Music Meister.

Any attempts to convince me that that would not be the best thing ever in live action format are terrible lies.

I second this.

Though as awesome as it would be. Music Meister is a Brave and the Bold original. I don't think he was in any of the old comics (which the director seems to be plucking the villains from).

[BitVyper]

I want the Ten Eyed Man.

[Meister]

Originally Posted by Fifthfiend

Three should have been The Two-Face Movie but they decided to cram his entire plot into the last 15 minutes of DK so I dunno.

You know what they say, better to burn out than fade away.

Originally Posted by The Gunslinger

He could be a more tech oriented version of the Riddler.

See I like that but the new Batman movies have glaring suspension of disbelief issues regarding technology as it is and I'd rather have those confined to one plot detail than all over the movie because the secondary main character is based on them.

... Riddler would have been good as a guy who tries to figure out who Batman is, except now that we've established you can find that out by rummaging through Bruce Wayne's bins and finding the blueprints for military equipment prototypes with "paint black and use for crimefighting" written on them it wouldn't have quite the same impact anymore.

[tacticslion]

Originally Posted by Fifthfiend

It was definitely better for having Harvey Dent. Two-Face, nots'much.

Originally Posted by Meister

You know what they say, better to burn out than fade away.

See, the thing with Dark Knight is that it was a really, really good... one and a half movie(s). I understand two-face couldn't hold a movie plot on his own, but he'd be a fantastic segue. Heck, I even thought that half way through - when the Joker escaped and was going to cause more ruckus in Gotham, riding in a police car - that the movie was over when I first saw it (a couple of people in the theater actually made their way out and, to the best of my knowledge didn't come backdon't know to watch the credits because they're in too much of a hurry to get to their cars). I also get that they were going for "Batman needs to be on the run so the police can try to kill him in the next movie" plot - Harvey's death (along with him assaulting the police) was a perfect set up for that. But if worked right that a) could have been made into another movie and/or b) could have been wrapped up/re-written a bit cleaner. Doesn't stop it from being a fantastic movie, in my opinion, but I think that's pretty much its biggest failing - not so much for being "bad" but for only only being "pretty good".

Originally Posted by Meister

See I like that but the new Batman movies have glaring suspension of disbelief issues regarding technology as it is and I'd rather have those confined to one plot detail than all over the movie because the secondary main character is based on them.

... Riddler would have been good as a guy who tries to figure out who Batman is, except now that we've established you can find that out by rummaging through Bruce Wayne's bins and finding the blueprints for military equipment prototypes with "paint black and use for crimefighting" written on them it wouldn't have quite the same impact anymore.

That's kind of why I'm suggesting a sci-tech riddler who's devoted to the Joker. Even though the actual actor himself is regrettably gone, it could easily be made that in this Batman movie series he's the haunting Spectre - the curse that Batman never quite rids himself of. He becomes this kind of evil idol with almost cultic followings amongst the diseased, who are attracted to Gotham now because of his raw CharismaNO, I'm not recommending the JOKERZ gang! Also, I'm sure I've no idea what you're talking about. It would work too, as an homage to Heath Ledger whose death will - lets face it - likely be brought up by the news media whenever the newest Batman movie comes out now. It's going to be part of the legacy now regardless, so why not embrace it and make an homage to his powerful acting talent simultaneously? Also, while I like both Catwoman and Robin as concepts, I'm thinking "no" in live action movies, as the director has (if I recall correctly, please correct me if I'm wrong) declared that he wouldn't do Robin, and Catwoman has a whole host of issues, not the least of which is her presentation in Batman Returns and Catwomanevery live action thing she's ever been presented in. Even though Harley isn't as "obscure" as some others, she does exist in actual comic canon, isn't as prominant as, say, Bane, the Penguin, Mr. Freeze, the Riddler, Two-Face, or Poison Ivy (as they've all been in other movies). Although I added the Riddler to the list above, I still see enough potential in him to warrent his inclusion, but again it'd have to be different enough from the old version to warrent itself.