Pokemon Umbral Discussion 20: Now With New Discussion Thread Smell!

[Menarker]

Nope, that wasn't the one dropped. The one I dropped was the one I proposed to have an HM move with power of 100 and either element the pokemon was.

Never agreed to drop custom moves, especially not when Pierce gets to make his own moves with the sort of power that got approved. Renny supposed to be the pokemon master of this group.

AB had approved it and you said it wouldn't be a problem because it wouldn't be granted all at once but in several intervals.

Of course, a few things will need to be changed... Thinking on it though.

I'll have to change something to deal with the changes in Divide and Focus, since that's been altered by the rage system that Renny was supposed to get as his upgrade after this mission.

The data is all in thread 16.

[Dracorion]

Ah, bullshit. You thought of splitting the rage points consumed evenly, you just wanted to get more Sex points with Lola.

I mean, if I thought of it, you expect me to believe you didn't?

Also, the moves I came up with are Co-Op moves, or Nagarai's Lightning Gun which is an item. If you want, you can give Swampert a giant axe that does 200 power damage or something.

[Menarker]

The custom move I was talking about was your Enmakki's Auto-sleep/Nightmare move combined in one. Very powerful despite the fact that your character isn't upgrading into a pokemon specific class, but into something else. Half Demon, if I recall correctly?

Renny IS upgrading into a pokemon trainer specific class. Seems rather natural. Mind you, AB had approved getting custom moves and all that already. (And it wasn't supposed to come until after mission 4 or so.)

EDIT: Things that had been granted to other trainers too and thus isn't a Pokemon Breeder specific bonus anymore:

Improved Focus: AB granted something like this to all trainers. Also got a cost.

Improved Divide: AB granted something like this to all trainers. Also got a cost.

Custom Items (The first two at least. Maybe make Renny's items stronger than the others as part of the Pokemon Breeder thing?)


Things that might need editing:

Pokemon Master: AB said that Pokemon Alphas are what the Pokemon Breeder class pokemons would be like in terms of power, and are better than what the best of EV breeding would be.

Testament Drive: Now has a cost to it.


Things that are fine still:

Rehearsed Training

Custom Moves

Controlled Technique.


Now to think of what to put in to replace the ones that were removed...

New Proposed Pokemon Breeder Benefits

Originally Posted by Menarker

AB: (All the following is regarding the Pokemon Breeder thing)


(After Renny's Sidequest)

All Pokemon on Renny's Team gains these abilities in addition to a level boost:

Rehearsed Training: Being able to change movesets of all pokemons once per mission in between combat, and one pokemon will be able to have their moves changed DURING combat or during a time when there is no time for discussion. (Emergency action)

Two new Leader Pokemons (For a total of 4 leader pokemons)

Two Enhanced Custom Item


(After Mission 3 or so)

All of Renny's Pokemon gain the following in addition to level boost:

Two New Leader Pokemons (All pokemons are now leader types)

Controlled Technique: Control allows a move that would have a negative effect like hitting an ally (like Earthquake or Surf) to not take place without dropping or raising the power of the attack.

Two Enhanced Custom Items


(After Mission 4 or so)

All of Renny's Pokemon gain the following:

Custom Move: All pokemon gains a powerful custom move. Takes up a move slot.

Pokemon Master: All pokemons are level 100. (Assuming that pokemons of the other trainers are around level 80 or 85ish fairly soon) Stats will be listed in bio, but typically assumes that 3 of each of the pokemons stats are at their maximum value as according to Serebii's website, as a result of careful EV training. Assumes that nature is beneficial regardless of actual pokemon's personality.
In addition, the pokemons count as Pokemon Alphas. even stronger than a Pokemon that's been twinked to be as strong as it possibly can. Their attacks are more damaging, their defenses are greater, they even have Abilities and moves they couldn't have any other way. (This is quoted from AB)


Testament Drive: All pokemons have a sort of Testament Drive that's only weaker than the legendary pokemon version and usable once per combat at greatly reduced cost (or even free?).

Two Enhanced Custom Item


Delayed the custom moves until last reward, kept the rewards in 3 step intervals, more leaders so eventually each pokemon is capable of using any of Renny's custom items. Will be pokemon Alphas at the end, which AB said they would be like and that they are stronger than what EV training could ever do.

[Geminex]

Ok...

But there's a problem. AB said we don't actually all dual-class until after mission 4. Which means that Renny'd only become a pokemon breeder after mission 4. So you might need to rework that schedule.

Edit:
Other than that, though, I'd be fine with that, provided you still get the stuff gradually.
And AB had better not be stingy with the half-demon bonuses, otherwise he'll feel my german rage.

My accent gives me super strength!

[Dracorion]

Whoa, whoa. Six leader pokemon? Hell no, absolutely not.

I can get behind Renny having four leader pokemon, at most. I don't care if you want to justify it with "Renny loves all his pokemon equally!". One or two always end up falling behind. So just say Mollesk is retarded and Magnezone doesn't care or however you want to put it.

I mean, you get custom moves, buffed up stats, Testament Drives and Pokemon Fuckin' Alphas. I'm drawing the line at four leader pokemon. Cross it if you fucking dare.

[Astral Harmony]

He'll be lucky to get more than 2 Leader Pokemon.

I need to have a good look at that, and I need to put something else out:

At current, each PC has a single class at Level 4. Impact's a Level 4 Slayer, the Trainer Trio are Level 4 Trainers, Matthias is a Level 4 Pokebrid. After Mission 3, I'll put out Level 5. After mission 4, something changes.

This is the part where you start dual-classing or increasing the level of your single class. In other words, you can choose to go to Level 6 with your primary class, or start a secondary class at Level 1.

Pokemon breedering won't start before I say it does. I might've approved it before, but that's before I came up with this. I keel you.

[Geminex]

Ok, that's cool.

So, wait, would Renny's breeder class be an actual dual-class, or would he just be putting more levels into trainer?

[DanteFalcon]

Matthias maybe finally deciding to take the initiative. We'll see what I draw.

[Astral Harmony]

He'd be putting more levels into Trainer. The Super Class (Level 6 and beyond) for Trainers is Breeders. Slayers become Ragnaroks (or something else cool-sounding). Pokebrids become Ascended. And Snaggers'll be...well, I'll think about that when the time comes. I wanna say Befrienders, but that feels kinda gay.

I'm gonna go chill for the rest of the night. All this time spent in front of the cold, unfeeling light of my monitor makes my legs ache and I should get some jogging in so they'd stop aching. I guess the Battle System Tutorial is around 70% done? I'm working on the characters. The Shock Troopers, Medics, and half of the Snipers're done, which leaves the rest of the Snipers, the Engineers, and the Enforcers. I should have it all done Tuesday, maybe Wednesday afternoon. Plenty of time for you guys to get all those other pesky questions out of your systems and think about your Signature Techniques / Pokemon Co-Ops / Signature Sequences. And you can build friendships, kinships, and relationships since you're not on the battlefield.

Man, I really hope Ar Tonelico III comes stateside and I can't wait to pick up Record of Agarest War. I loves me some RPGs with strong dating sim elements! Thousand Arms started me on the path of evil.

[Geminex]

He'd be putting more levels into Trainer. The Super Class (Level 6 and beyond) for Trainers is Breeders. Slayers become Ragnaroks (or something else cool-sounding). Pokebrids become Ascended. And Snaggers'll be...well, I'll think about that when the time comes. I wanna say Befrienders, but that feels kinda gay.

What do demons become? Like, after mission 4, I'll be picking demon as my dual class. So I'll be a Level 5 Slayer/Level 1 Demon. Demon will count as a class, right? One that I can level up, and that gets upgraded? So, when I get my 6th demon level, would I just be a full demon?

And Falcon, that's bullshit. "Information Control" is literally nothing but manipulating people's emotions and fooling them. You're counting on them reacting in a certain way to a certain piece of information, so you can exert control over them by giving them certain pieces of information. They can react emotionally (in which case you'd be manipulating people's emotions) or rationally (in which case you'd be fooling them).

Edit:
And, AB, will the benefits from further leveling up in a class increase as your level in that class increases?

Edit2:
And I think Menarker's right. Dark Abyss is pretty powerful at the moment. Menarker has a right to be territorial. Of course, I don't want to give him his super-moves. So remove his right to be territorial.
AB, propose that Dark Abyss be nerfed (accuracy halved) and Menarker drop his request for super-powerful custom moves.
Drac, there's nothing justifying why Enmakki should get a super-move. Even with half accuracy it'd still be pretty powerful.
Menarker, there's nothing encroaching on your territory, I'd be fine with custom moves, but let's keep using Dark Abyss as a comparison. Meaning you get pretty good stuff, but nothing super-powerful.