PhoenixFlame Presents: Eclipse Phase

[Krylo]

Originally Posted by Overcast

Okaaaay, I was staring at my skills and calculating by total quantity of skill points bought with CP I am running on 287 for Knowledge. In Active I am running on 430. So I am under on that one. Keeping with the total CP spent edits to pay for my kick I believe I would dunce my Intimidate down to 50, and my two Networking Skills to 60, bump my Cantonese to 60, and dump the rest in Old Earth Music.

This is if my numbers are correct.

I'm gettin' 307 (after taking from earth music) for knowledge?

[Overcast]

Let's see. Considering English counts for nothing since it is automatically 81 we have...

Academics: Weapon Mechanics. Bought 49 points.
Art: Graffiti. Bought 69 points.
~118
Interest: Gambling. Bought 49 points.
~167
Interest: Old Earth Music. Bought 27 points.
~194
Language: Cantonese. Bought 44 points.
~238
Profession: Tactician. Bought 49 points.
~287

How does your math differ?

EDIT: Wait I already know, you are counting Graffiti for a full 89, the CP spent, instead of 69, the Skill Points bought.

[Krylo]

Originally Posted by Overcast

EDIT: Wait I already know, you are counting Graffiti for a full 89, the CP spent, instead of 69, the Skill Points bought.

I understand the words in this sentence but they make no sense. The book refers to the CP set aside specifically for skills as skill points at some places, but they are still CP.

You get 1000 CP
400 CP must be spent on Active skills
300 CP must be spent on Knowledge skills

Those 700 CP are occasionally referred to as skill points. They note that this is supposed to be corrected (always calling them CP) in the errata, as well.

So there's no difference between CP and Skill Points and so I'm not sure what you're talking about?

[Overcast]

I was talking about the total increase in the skill value that was bought, which was what I gathered was what skill points meant.

Like up to 60, 1 skill point costs 1 CP point. But after 60(like for Daniel in Graffiti and Kinetic Weapons) 1 skill point costs 2 CP points.

[Krylo]

Originally Posted by Overcast

I was talking about the total increase in the skill value that was bought, which was what I gathered was what skill points meant.

Like up to 60, 1 skill point costs 1 CP point. But after 60(like for Daniel in Graffiti and Kinetic Weapons) 1 skill point costs 2 CP points.

Ah yes. Indeed I am doing that then.

Which is how it should be done and your character is fine.

[Overcast]

Right on, another small section completed in the laundry list to startup.

[Krylo]

As for where we start, I can't really say I have a strong preference.

I'd like to do something with the Factors eventually as they really interest me (and I don't trust them), or the Ikoma and how they got wiped out and what not.

However, I'm open for most anything, and as for Lind he's not really the type to have a strong preference for WHERE to protect transhumanity either. I'm guessing firewall would approach him for his skills, and he'd basically be ok for going wherever they sent him. He's a pretty nice guy and will probably just do whatever's asked of him and not make a fuss about it, so long as it's not too morally grey/black... and he can be convinced it's for transhumanity's protection/good and/or he's being compensated fairly.

[Geminex]

Ah yes. Indeed I am doing that then.

Which is how it should be done and your character is fine.

Wait, but that's not what we've been doing so far, is it?
So far we (or, anyway, I) have been going "buy 400/300 CP's worth of skill points".
Whereas now it turns out it should have been "buy 400/300 skill points"?

Wouldn't that mean that we all have to edit our bios again, redistribute our skill points?
I don't want to, mind you, I'd prefer to keep going "buy 400/300 CP's worth of skill points", but we need to use a consistent rule don't we?

[Krylo]

Originally Posted by Geminex

Wait, but that's not what we've been doing so far, is it?
So far we (or, anyway, I) have been going "buy 400/300 CP's worth of skill points".
Whereas now it turns out it should have been "buy 400/300 skill points"?

Wouldn't that mean that we all have to edit our bios again, redistribute our skill points?
I don't want to, mind you, I'd prefer to keep going "buy 400/300 CP's worth of skill points", but we need to use a consistent rule don't we?

Gem, CP and SP are exactly the same thing. It's just some errors in the book (from previous versions apparently) that give them different names depending on which section you are looking at. And what caused OC some confusion (in apparently thinking that 61-80 was 2 CP for 1 SP, and that he had to spend 300 SP in knowledge skills, instead of 300 CP, where in reality, 300CP = 300SP.)

If you spent 400/300 SP you spent 400/300 CP (and vice versa).


Out of the 1000 CP you get at the start, you must spend 400/300 on active/knowledge skills.

It is exactly what we have been doing from the start.

Edit:
Errata:

p. 136, Learned Skills
Change the first sentence to:
“Each character must purchase a minimum of 400 CP of Active skills and 300 CP of Knowledge skills (see Skills, p. 170).”

p. 137, CharacterCreation example, 2nd column
The fourth paragraph should end with “... leaving her with 40 CP left to spend.”
The first two sentences of the fifth paragraph should read: “Looking back at her skills, she decides to raise her Pilot: Spacecraft from 50 to 65. It costs her 10 CP to raise the skill to 60, and another 10 CP to raise it from 60 to 65, for a total cost of 20 CP.”

p. 130, Step-by-Step Guide
Under 5b, change “400 skill points” to “400 CP”
Under 5c, change “300 skill points” to “300 CP”

p. 390, Character Creation Summary
Under 5b, change “400 skill points” to “400 CP”
Under 5c, change “300 skill points” to “300 CP”

[Overcast]

No one should trust the Factors. The fact that they are aliens, they represent a collective of other aliens, and didn't bother to do anything with us until we were post almost-fucking-killed-ourselves just makes them a fount of suspicion.