Pokemon Umbral Discussion 25: Pokegeddon Returns

[Dracorion]

Originally Posted by Geminex

That's... not defensive. Not very much, anyway. Defensive is preventing damage to the team. What you're doing is preventing damage to yourself. It's a start, but it won't keep the rest of us alive when pokegeddon hit us with their signature techiques. Because you, all of you, you realize they have 100/100 rage? And we will die if even two or three of them get their techniques off, I guarantee it?

You're going to make me repost my plan, aren't you?

Here's my original plan:
THE PLANGardenoir: Impact's Siege Boomerang, Matthias' attack, Harliette's pokemons' attacks. Four 4x damage attacks.
Frossqueen: Sol-Leks' Overheat, Blaziken's Overheat, Pierce's Trainer Attack. Rachel's Pokemon can do Steel-type attacks for 2x damage. All in all, that's four 2x damage attacks and Pierce's trainer attack.
Pegidash: Hammond's Stone Edge, Tyranitar's Stone Edge, Mollesk's Rock Slide, Harliette's Mineral Shot. That's four 4x damage attacks.
Altarisect: Secondary target from Mollesk's Rock Slide. No matter.

That leaves Moon and Wilhelmina unassigned. Wilhelmina's Nether Shot can do 2x damage to Frossqueen. Moon's Lanturn can use Signal Beam for 4x damage on Gardenoir.

I can see Pegidash definitely down. Gardenoir probably. Frossqueen critically damaged. Keep in mind Moon still has an extra pokemon.

And here's Menarker's plan, which involves Mollesk not doing anything:
THE OTHER PLANGardenoir: Impact's Swarm Bow, Matthias' attack, Harliette's pokemon's bug type attacks. Moon's Lanturn's Signal Beam

Frossqueen: Sol-Leks' Overheat, Blaziken's Overheat, Rachel's pokemon's steel type attacks. Wilhelmina. Pierce's Trainer Attack.

Pegidash: Hammond's Stone Edge, Tyranitar's Stone Edge, Swampert's Waterfall, Harliette's Mineral Shot, Moon's Kingdra Hydro Pump

Originally Posted by Menarker

That's his designated purpose. He's supposed to be a wall, with merely passable offense unless he takes risks when he swaps to ultra powerful offense.

That doesn't help the rest of the team at all.

Originally Posted by Menarker

Well, assume 500 DEF and special defence which is the low end of benefical nature or high end of neutral nature later on in the story. (or even right now if Mollesk is assumed to have benefical nature),
The multipliers of each stage boost is as follows...
x1.5 (1 stage) Howl, Sharpen, Defense Curl
x2.0 (2 stage) Nasty Plot, Sword Dance. Mollesk using Cosmic Power.
x2.5 (3 stage) Supreme Upgrade
x3.0 (4 stage) Mollesk using a 2 stage booster buff technique.
x3.5 (5 stage)
x4.0 (6 stage) Belly Drum

If Mollesk was to have 500 DEF and SDEF, he would max out his DEF and SDEF stat with one cosmic power, due to it hitting 2.0 multiplier.

That's ridiculous. And wrong. So very, very wrong.

Originally Posted by Menarker

EDIT: Gem, do you want me to use Renny's protect ability? Or you think they aren't likely to use their technique first turn?

That would be nice, yeah. Though Pierce problably won't use it. He's saving up points for Hellfire.

[Geminex]

That's his designated purpose. He's supposed to be a wall, with merely passable offense unless he takes risks when he swaps to ultra powerful offense.

Then you made a bad choice when selecting stats. What use is a wall? Defensive mons, sure. But defensive in this game involves protecting your allies.

EDIT: Gem, do you want me to use Renny's protect ability? Or you think they aren't likely to use their technique first turn?

I'm... not sure. I was hoping people would give input on that, instead of insulting each other's mother and discussing psych-up.
Or, well, instead of discussing psych-up, anyway.

[Dracorion]

Gem, your mother is ugly.

I'm for Renny using his Co-Op, even if Pierce won't be spending RPs.

[Menarker]

Mollesk getting huge defense does help the team when it can use Follow Me. (Like it does now) and living longer in general.

And Drac, you posted your faulty plan! You put Impact doing the Siege Boomerang on Gardenoir (which is not effective)! My plan is superior to yours in comparision!

[Dracorion]

Your mother is ugly too. I can't be blamed for missing a detail or two when you got me seeing red because your mother is ugly.

Any amount of defense isn't going to save Mollesk when there's a damn good chance one of the Pokegeddons has an insta-kill attack. Frosslass, Gardenoir or Regina, I'm guessing.

Also, Defense is subjective when AB railroads us. Also also, I thought you were having Mollesk use Power Trick?

[Geminex]

Gem, your mother is ugly

Oh yeah? Well your face.

That's ridiculous. And wrong. So very, very wrong.

How so? It was clear from the beginnig that Mollesk'd have excessive defense. And hey, look on the bright side: At least the rules prevent Renny from getting the full 4x boost! 2x is the best he can do, probably. Unless he intentionally micro-manages mollesk's stats so that defense is permanently at around 490, so he can get up to a 3x buff. But he won't do that. Because he knows that if he does, I will make a point that Mollesk is over-specialized and demand that Mollesk's stats be rearranged so no stat is under 50. And Drac will support me. And then Mollesk might lose some of its precious defense, or HP. That wouldn't be nice, would it?

[Menarker]

Like I said. Options. I can vary them based on how the situation shifts. I can use Power Trick if I think offense is needed or I can use Follow Me if I need to defend someone.

Anyhow, my version of the plan has 5 quad effective attacks on Gardenoir, 5 Super effective (and Pierce trainer attack) on Frolass, and 3 Quad effective and 2 super effective on Pegidash.

As compared to Pierce's currently displayed plan with less than those, I'd say stick with what I got. (My plan was a retouched version of his, so I don't know why he's passing it off as garbage.)

Since Def and Special Def maxes out at 999 with stage boost modifers, maxing out sooner is better. (and wastes less time for the party.)

[Dracorion]

Except, y'know, the 2x boost brings it damn near to a 1000. And the cap is 999, I think.

Anyway. Menarker, I apologize. I got kinda sucked up into the whole insulting thing, probably because I could see it was getting to you.

... You big baby.

Know that I meant no ill will, I was just screwin' with you. But yeah, I apologize.

AHEM NOW ONTO IMPORTANT MATTERS OKAY.

Originally Posted by Menarker

Anyhow, my version of the plan has 5 quad effective attacks on Gardenoir, 5 Super effective (and Pierce trainer attack) on Frolass, and 3 Quad effective and 2 super effective on Pegidash.

Hey, my plan had all that. Y'know, at the end.

Originally Posted by Menarker

As compared to Pierce's currently displayed plan with less than those, I'd say stick with what I got. (My plan was a retouched version of his, so I don't know why he's passing it off as garbage.)

See above. Dracorion? Huge jerk.

[Geminex]

Since Def and Special Def maxes out at 999 with stage boost modifers, maxing out sooner is better. (and wastes less time for the party.)

Ah, that's how we're playing it? Allright then, I agree with that.

As for our plan...
Lemme rethink it, M'kay? I really wanted to use the first turn to gather info, to see what our opponents are vulnerable to, whether they even have weaknesses, if they can be stunned, flinched status-ed. These are unknown enemies, and attacking them full-on isn't smart. But we'll see.

[Menarker]

Alternative options from attacking since Gem wants to explore it:

Matthias and pokebrids using Thief to steal items from attackers such as Gardenoir's Scythe.
Switch to our enforcers so they take the brunt of the first turn.

Still thinking of other options while cleaning my room.


Also Drac, I wasn't feeling THAT bad about your insults (Still got annoyed though). But I figured AB might be a tad offended by it, since he doesn't like us rough-housing too much. :3 I love a good debate, although I find slurs mixed in the middle to be... not flattering of one's intellect. And "insulting my plan" which was really just a slightly modified version of yours was almost like insulting yourself.