Pokemon Umbral Discussion 28: A Wild Cerulean Wildfire Appears! - Page 11

Geminex · 06-12-2010, 01:29 AM

In regards to the ditto pokebrid, I wouldn't get one. All it can do is transform, and you could do that with just the pokemon.

Edit: And I'm thinking of a female snagger, sort of hyper-active, very prone to switch from pokemon to pokemon.

Menarker · 06-12-2010, 01:53 AM

Clearly Bard would use it to shapeshift into humans and attempt to mimic their personality/actions as well as their bodies/powers.

>_> Imagines Bard mimicking someone like Burkmont and doing something so embarressing/scandalous that it destroys his political reputation and foils his plans that way.

As for Mollesk, it still has that maxed out defense which if I can make it last long enough will become maxed out attack stat. Switching it out will make the buff spent this turn lost. It's so tediously slow (Crap speed stat) that it can't possibly run into someone unless you were deliberately ignoring your surroundings. (And Drac is right about the free move from the item being Power Trick). If I can make it last long enough, it'll be massively damaging. Plus, I can see how easily the oil washes off as a test with Swampert, while we're targetting Wildfire.

Aria's Drizzle counts as Rain Dance for all purpose, hence why I said it as I did.

I don't mind giving Wilhelmina a rage rocket so she can activate her ability early.

Dracorion · 06-12-2010, 01:57 AM

If that last turn was any indication, Mollesk won't last very long if Wildfire decides to kill it. And considering how buffed it is? Wildfire will probably decide to kill it.

Also, even if you could somehow keep Mollesk alive for three turns, you'd get the one turn of super-attack before Wildfire decided to burn him to a crisp. Literally, pokeball failsafes be damned.

Also, you can't really use nature to justify mechanics. Mollesk will set someone else on fire if AB decides it has to, or it won't.

Geminex · 06-12-2010, 02:30 AM

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As for Mollesk, it still has that maxed out defense which if I can make it last long enough will become maxed out attack stat. Switching it out will make the buff spent this turn lost. It's so tediously slow (Crap speed stat) that it can't possibly run into someone unless you were deliberately ignoring your surroundings. (And Drac is right about the free move from the item being Power Trick). If I can make it last long enough, it'll be massively damaging. Plus, I can see how easily the oil washes off as a test with Swampert, while we're targetting Wildfire.

Well, speed stat doesn't seem to indicate speed of motion, otherwise Mollesk would only be able to attacked every 5 or 6 turns at best. Besides, speed now modifies crit chance, so, if anything, it should be indicative of precision? So really, crap speed stat means absolutely nothing. Nice attempt at justification, though.

And we know how easily oil washes off, 50% probability.

Shapeshift into humans. Oh lord.
Though I don't think that's possible, otherwise ditto pokebrids would be illegal.

Menarker · 06-12-2010, 03:43 AM

Well, it happened in the anime whenever Ditto was around... =P Even imitated a Officer Jenny. ^^;

Geminex · 06-12-2010, 03:51 AM

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Imitated how? Like, just superficially? Or on a deeper level as well? Like... anatomy-wise?

And do they actually have to be in the presence of whatever they're transforming into? Is DNA, or just a picture enough?

...

I only ask for security reasons, of course. Yep. That's the reason and no other. Because we can't have evil ditto pokebrids morphing into humans and tricking my security personnel. Yes. That is the reason. I am worried about security. Yes.

Menarker · 06-12-2010, 11:16 AM

If we only needed to take the anime in account, they don't even need a picture, although for unfamiliar objects or individuals, a picture of having seen the person first hand, or contact with the person for DNA sample would help, It could even transform into inanimate objects like a cannon despite there not being any such objects around at the time. The nature of the transformation is so exact and deep in level (like anatomy as you mention) that only those with supreme intution like Brock's ability to identify between each individual Nurse Joy or Officer Jenny, can tell the difference between Ditto and their counterpart.

It doesn't help that Dittos are CRAPPY at learning new techniques apparently despite being able to memorize faces and details easily, so a Ditto pokebrid would presumably only be able to use the basic moves (no move tutor or breeding chain or TM moves) of the pokemon they transform into, unless they are directly copying someone who knows it.

On other news, there is some more data on Pokemon Black and White. Nothing huge so to speak, but there is finally a Dragon/Electric type. (Although nowhere as curvy as Nagarai) =P
And a move that forces a foe to have the ability Levitate... I guess that means there is going to be an added disadvantage to Levitators or something. (Shrug)

Anyhow, getting ready to leave for work!

Dracorion · 06-12-2010, 12:45 PM

Note to self: have AB come up with a way to identify Dittos and Ditto Pokebrids regardless of their disguise.

Bard The 5th LW · 06-12-2010, 01:03 PM

Whether I do it or not depends on AB's verdict on how it would work. If it can imitate people, I may go through with it just for the lulz.

DanteFalcon · 06-12-2010, 03:30 PM

If memory serves the question of what Ditto can mimic came up with a few (or many) threads back and the response was that Ditto can mimic pokemon, Ditto brids can mimic pokebrids. Which would make that usefulness questionable. But that's just my memory and my memory is far from perfect.

06-12-2010, 01:29 AM	#101
Geminex SOM3WH3R3 Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 4,606	In regards to the ditto pokebrid, I wouldn't get one. All it can do is transform, and you could do that with just the pokemon. Edit: And I'm thinking of a female snagger, sort of hyper-active, very prone to switch from pokemon to pokemon. Last edited by Geminex; 06-12-2010 at 01:39 AM.

06-12-2010, 01:53 AM	#102
Menarker OMG! WHAT SHOULD I DO NOW? Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,802	Clearly Bard would use it to shapeshift into humans and attempt to mimic their personality/actions as well as their bodies/powers. >_> Imagines Bard mimicking someone like Burkmont and doing something so embarressing/scandalous that it destroys his political reputation and foils his plans that way. As for Mollesk, it still has that maxed out defense which if I can make it last long enough will become maxed out attack stat. Switching it out will make the buff spent this turn lost. It's so tediously slow (Crap speed stat) that it can't possibly run into someone unless you were deliberately ignoring your surroundings. (And Drac is right about the free move from the item being Power Trick). If I can make it last long enough, it'll be massively damaging. Plus, I can see how easily the oil washes off as a test with Swampert, while we're targetting Wildfire. Aria's Drizzle counts as Rain Dance for all purpose, hence why I said it as I did. I don't mind giving Wilhelmina a rage rocket so she can activate her ability early. __________________ THE BIO OF RENNY TRESSERHORN THE BIOs OF POKEMON UMBRAL!

06-12-2010, 01:57 AM	#103
Dracorion Moves Like Jagger, Kupo! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: To the south, a little to the left... Or to the right. Posts: 4,910	If that last turn was any indication, Mollesk won't last very long if Wildfire decides to kill it. And considering how buffed it is? Wildfire will probably decide to kill it. Also, even if you could somehow keep Mollesk alive for three turns, you'd get the one turn of super-attack before Wildfire decided to burn him to a crisp. Literally, pokeball failsafes be damned. Also, you can't really use nature to justify mechanics. Mollesk will set someone else on fire if AB decides it has to, or it won't. __________________ Dracorion's dumbass color is Royal Blue. If you see that color, you better run the fuck away.

06-12-2010, 03:43 AM	#105
Menarker OMG! WHAT SHOULD I DO NOW? Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,802	Well, it happened in the anime whenever Ditto was around... =P Even imitated a Officer Jenny. ^^; __________________ THE BIO OF RENNY TRESSERHORN THE BIOs OF POKEMON UMBRAL!

06-12-2010, 11:16 AM	#107
Menarker OMG! WHAT SHOULD I DO NOW? Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,802	If we only needed to take the anime in account, they don't even need a picture, although for unfamiliar objects or individuals, a picture of having seen the person first hand, or contact with the person for DNA sample would help, It could even transform into inanimate objects like a cannon despite there not being any such objects around at the time. The nature of the transformation is so exact and deep in level (like anatomy as you mention) that only those with supreme intution like Brock's ability to identify between each individual Nurse Joy or Officer Jenny, can tell the difference between Ditto and their counterpart. It doesn't help that Dittos are CRAPPY at learning new techniques apparently despite being able to memorize faces and details easily, so a Ditto pokebrid would presumably only be able to use the basic moves (no move tutor or breeding chain or TM moves) of the pokemon they transform into, unless they are directly copying someone who knows it. On other news, there is some more data on Pokemon Black and White. Nothing huge so to speak, but there is finally a Dragon/Electric type. (Although nowhere as curvy as Nagarai) =P And a move that forces a foe to have the ability Levitate... I guess that means there is going to be an added disadvantage to Levitators or something. (Shrug) Anyhow, getting ready to leave for work! __________________ THE BIO OF RENNY TRESSERHORN THE BIOs OF POKEMON UMBRAL! Last edited by Menarker; 06-12-2010 at 12:20 PM.

06-12-2010, 03:51 AM	#106
Geminex SOM3WH3R3 Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 4,606	... Imitated how? Like, just superficially? Or on a deeper level as well? Like... anatomy-wise? And do they actually have to be in the presence of whatever they're transforming into? Is DNA, or just a picture enough? ... I only ask for security reasons, of course. Yep. That's the reason and no other. Because we can't have evil ditto pokebrids morphing into humans and tricking my security personnel. Yes. That is the reason. I am worried about security. Yes.

06-12-2010, 12:45 PM	#108
Dracorion Moves Like Jagger, Kupo! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: To the south, a little to the left... Or to the right. Posts: 4,910	Note to self: have AB come up with a way to identify Dittos and Ditto Pokebrids regardless of their disguise. __________________ Dracorion's dumbass color is Royal Blue. If you see that color, you better run the fuck away. Last edited by Dracorion; 06-12-2010 at 01:52 PM.

06-12-2010, 01:03 PM	#109
Bard The 5th LW Feelin' Super! Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 4,191	Whether I do it or not depends on AB's verdict on how it would work. If it can imitate people, I may go through with it just for the lulz.

06-12-2010, 03:30 PM	#110
DanteFalcon Birdy Bard Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Japanland Posts: 501	If memory serves the question of what Ditto can mimic came up with a few (or many) threads back and the response was that Ditto can mimic pokemon, Ditto brids can mimic pokebrids. Which would make that usefulness questionable. But that's just my memory and my memory is far from perfect.