Wonder Woman to undergo massive overhaul. And puts on some damn pants already. - Page 2

bluestarultor · 06-30-2010, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by MuMu

Really like the redesign, they even managed to make a jacket that doesn't look horribly out of place with the costume. Only the 'urban' environment that worries me, unless that's just a setup for future mythical stories. Overall, this sounds like a small arc that's getting retconned away very soon, unless it gets a good reception.

Probably the first Wonder Woman related story that I might read.

Who wants to bet the costume stays regardless if there's a decent reaction to it. "Just because she likes it" or something.

Aerozord · 06-30-2010, 12:10 AM

why even retcon it if you are doing it to such an extreme degree, just do a new continuity. Or atleast give a freakin reason for it beyond "a wizard did it"

Premmy · 06-30-2010, 12:17 AM

I just want to say the title of this thread clashes HORRIBLY with POS's avatar.

Kyanbu The Legend · 06-30-2010, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Aerozord

why even retcon it if you are doing it to such an extreme degree, just do a new continuity. Or atleast give a freakin reason for it beyond "a wizard did it"

The new changes may be experimental. They likely want to see how people react to it.

Amake · 06-30-2010, 12:57 AM

Continuity is the single worst thing about comics. There's what, five hundred of them published every month in the US? And that's been going on for like eighty years. ALL of that needs to fit in with every decision you make as a writer or you get bad continuity. No lasting change can ever happen because it could never be coordinated over even one comics universe. And the average vocal comic book nerd hates bad continuity with the special fury of the borderline Autistic whose psyche breaks down when confronted with the world's inconsistencies.

Funny story, I read a Brian Michael Bendis mail column where a reader complained, at great length, about how in a Halo comic Master Chief's gloves had a different number of knuckle nubs on them when drawn by a different artist.

Anyway, I love the costume change. For the first time ever I can look at Wonder Woman and not go "hmm why does none of the boys show their arms, their shoulders, their back, their legs, their hips OR their cleavage?" Depending on if the jacket stays on, it's about 80-98% less sexist. Also no fucking high heels. It's practical, it's sane, it's everything that superheroes should be doing since they no longer live in 1940s cartoon worlds. Not iconic enough? Wonder Woman is the icon of Truth no matter how she looks and she'll give you a good kicking if you argue.

Also I'm shamelessly attracted to short eighties jackets.

(Oh damn it's by J Michael Straczynski, this is going to be retconned back so hard it'll make her boobs fall out.)

Archbio · 06-30-2010, 01:18 AM

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No lasting change can ever happen because it could never be coordinated over even one comics universe.

In every other medium, continuity would mean changes adding themselves to other changes until what you get is different than what you had.

The problem isn't continuity, it's the reverse, it's the necessity the comic book companies have of preserving their best selling icons in as static a state as they can while simulating change.

POS Industries · 06-30-2010, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Archbio

I approve of the new costume (altough I don't know that many whores wear bathing suits, honestly,) but I really like Themyscira, I don't really see what's good about it getting wrecked, and it seemed to me that it's been continually getting its shit wrecked for a while now.

The retcon itself seem ludicrously irrelevant.

Yeah, I guess this is mainly what I mean. There's not really much reason for time-traveling shenanigans to be involved in something that happens fairly often enough already without it.

Personally I wouldn't mind seeing DC move away from ripping off Superman's backstory in the general "home of superpowered people is destroyed and now (insert superhero here) is the last of his kind" when they want to revamp a classic IP. They largely did the same thing when they brought in Kyle Raynor too, as I recall.

Though the second they stop borrowing from Supes, they'll probably just start having everyone's parents gunned down by muggers so I guess it could be worse.

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And the average vocal comic book nerd hates bad continuity with the special fury of the borderline Autistic whose psyche breaks down when confronted with the world's inconsistencies.

I don't know who should be more offended by this statement: Comic fans or people with autism.

Either way don't do that thing you just did anymore, okay?

Premmy · 06-30-2010, 02:05 AM

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Personally I wouldn't mind seeing DC move away from ripping off Superman's backstory in the general "home of superpowered people is destroyed and now (insert superhero here) is the last of his kind" when they want to revamp a classic IP. They largely did the same thing when they brought in Kyle Raynor too, as I recall.

Though the second they stop borrowing from Supes, they'll probably just start having everyone's parents gunned down by muggers so I guess it could be worse.

There's always Door Number Three

Archbio · 06-30-2010, 02:13 AM

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Personally I wouldn't mind seeing DC move away from ripping off Superman's backstory in the general "home of superpowered people is destroyed and now (insert superhero here) is the last of his kind" when they want to revamp a classic IP.

They already pushed hard for the "secret identity" thing a while ago, didn't they? With the Diana Prince angle. Which was triggered, in story, by Superman lecturing Wonder Woman if I recall.

It's the exact reason why I loved the whole Amazon Princess/Ambassador to the wider world angle. It was her own shtick.

Aerozord · 06-30-2010, 02:50 AM

I think its not even the belief in continuing every change, or in having static characters, but their unwillingness to let a series die. Know whats the only american comics I own? Marvel Zombies. Mostly because, since its considered for the most part a throw away series, and takes place in its own continuity they dont worry about long term effects. Its self contained and after the last one went full circle giving nice concrete ending. honestly while I love it I hope they never make another.

My point is if they didn't have to make a series span decades, follow the same timeline, and try and keep it set in our own world this would be alot better. Even ignoring all problems you cant escape the fact that they try to keep it all in continuity, which would mean these characters are well into their 80's

06-30-2010, 12:10 AM	#12
Aerozord So we are clear Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Former murder capital of the world Posts: 13,824	why even retcon it if you are doing it to such an extreme degree, just do a new continuity. Or atleast give a freakin reason for it beyond "a wizard did it" __________________ "don't hate me for being a heterosexual white guy disparaging slacktivism, hate me for all those murders I've done."

06-30-2010, 12:17 AM	#13
Premmy Stop the hate Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a nice web on fifty first street Posts: 4,466	I just want to say the title of this thread clashes HORRIBLY with POS's avatar. __________________ Drank

06-30-2010, 12:57 AM	#15
Amake Keeper of the new Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: A place without judgment Posts: 4,506	Continuity is the single worst thing about comics. There's what, five hundred of them published every month in the US? And that's been going on for like eighty years. ALL of that needs to fit in with every decision you make as a writer or you get bad continuity. No lasting change can ever happen because it could never be coordinated over even one comics universe. And the average vocal comic book nerd hates bad continuity with the special fury of the borderline Autistic whose psyche breaks down when confronted with the world's inconsistencies. Funny story, I read a Brian Michael Bendis mail column where a reader complained, at great length, about how in a Halo comic Master Chief's gloves had a different number of knuckle nubs on them when drawn by a different artist. Anyway, I love the costume change. For the first time ever I can look at Wonder Woman and not go "hmm why does none of the boys show their arms, their shoulders, their back, their legs, their hips OR their cleavage?" Depending on if the jacket stays on, it's about 80-98% less sexist. Also no fucking high heels. It's practical, it's sane, it's everything that superheroes should be doing since they no longer live in 1940s cartoon worlds. Not iconic enough? Wonder Woman is the icon of Truth no matter how she looks and she'll give you a good kicking if you argue. Also I'm shamelessly attracted to short eighties jackets. (Oh damn it's by J Michael Straczynski, this is going to be retconned back so hard it'll make her boobs fall out.) __________________ Hope insistent, trust implicit, love inherent, life immersed Last edited by Amake; 06-30-2010 at 01:31 AM.

06-30-2010, 02:50 AM	#20
Aerozord So we are clear Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Former murder capital of the world Posts: 13,824	I think its not even the belief in continuing every change, or in having static characters, but their unwillingness to let a series die. Know whats the only american comics I own? Marvel Zombies. Mostly because, since its considered for the most part a throw away series, and takes place in its own continuity they dont worry about long term effects. Its self contained and after the last one went full circle giving nice concrete ending. honestly while I love it I hope they never make another. My point is if they didn't have to make a series span decades, follow the same timeline, and try and keep it set in our own world this would be alot better. Even ignoring all problems you cant escape the fact that they try to keep it all in continuity, which would mean these characters are well into their 80's __________________ "don't hate me for being a heterosexual white guy disparaging slacktivism, hate me for all those murders I've done."