We will now discuss Naruto is a spoilery manner.

[Donomni]

It's either that or we continue wondering about butterflies and NOBEL SOULS.

So yeah Naruto(the manga) is seriously stepping up it's game in the not-awful department, what with the past few chapters being Minato being awesome(Like I'll-teleport-this-city-nuking-blast-no-problem awesome).

And now we have Kisame popping outta his shark-sword that eats chakra like candy and he gets smacked by Onimusha!Naruto and also Might Guy because anything gets goddamn better with Might Guy.

And you know, Killer Bee. Who I would still want to be voiced by Samuel L. Jackson if the dub ever gets that far but who knows.

[Art of Hilt]

It's either that or we continue wondering about butterflies and NOBEL SOULS.

Or we can talk about One Piece and how it manages not to be completely awful almost pretty consistently.
That's an option too.


Although wait what Might Guy is actually being a character that shows up and does stuff again?
The whole series is one thing but Might Guy is another, and that other thing is the shit.

[Lithp]

See, here's how I interpreted that stuff:

So yeah Naruto(the manga) is seriously stepping up it's game in the not-awful department, what with the past few chapters being Minato being awesome(Like I'll-teleport-this-city-nuking-blast-no-problem awesome).

You ask me, this was character derailment. Madara had every reason to know that attack was coming. He only got hit because the plot demands that Minato is even MORE ridiculous.

And now we have Kisame popping outta his shark-sword that eats chakra like candy and he gets smacked by Onimusha!Naruto and also Might Guy because anything gets goddamn better with Might Guy.

Another way Naruto's been making with the sucking lately. The Akatsukis' plan is...retarded. Seriously, what the Hell has Kisame been waiting for? His mission was to capture the 8-Tails. He's had him alone many times now, including a time on the high seas, when no one else would have been able to interrupt them. This chapter also confirms that the switch occurred in the bubble, which means that Kisame would have won that fight.

So...Kisame deliberately threw a fight he was WINNING, to wait for who the Hell knows what, only to have his cover blown, & now he's getting his ass handed to him.

And you know, Killer Bee. Who I would still want to be voiced by Samuel L. Jackson if the dub ever gets that far but who knows.

Killer Bee is cool, mostly for making Sasuke & Madara look like the morons they are for a change. But other than that, I tend to think that Pain took what was left of the plot with him when he died. Maybe Orochimaru will eventually come back & resurrect the story with him, but I'm doubting that increasingly.

[Sithdarth]

Ok so lets tabulate now. Naruto has:

1) Significantly more personal chakra then anyone else. Even Kakashi was impressed at the shear level of his natural chakra.

2) He has the ability to store and use an immense amount of nature chakra which among other insane things allows him to be better at chakra sensing then pretty much all sensory types.

3) Access to half of the 9 tails chakra which supposedly dwarfs both of is other immense chakra sources and gives him sensory abilities greater than sensory type ninja.

4) He now apparently has access to spacetime warping techniques like his father meaning he can teleport in addition to the massive speed increases from both nature chakra and the 9 tails chakra.

5) He can throw a chakra ball that can slice through anything and that if it hits will cut you apart on a cellular level. Which with practice he could probably teleport right into your gut.

So not only can he turn himself into a walking ball of chakra big enough to destroy the entire world he can find pretty much anyone and he can teleport instantly from place to place. He's getting into SSJ 4 territory. Seriously how do you compete with someone with better nature chakra than Jiraiya, more tailed beast chakra than Killer Bee, the teleportation abilities of the 4th hokage, better tracking senses then essentially anyone else, and a chakra attack that is simultaneously the pinnacle of both shape and nature manipulation which no one else can possibly do?

[Lithp]

Originally Posted by Sithdarth

Ok so lets tabulate now. Naruto has:

1) Significantly more personal chakra then anyone else. Even Kakashi was impressed at the shear level of his natural chakra.

2) He has the ability to store and use an immense amount of nature chakra which among other insane things allows him to be better at chakra sensing then pretty much all sensory types.

3) Access to half of the 9 tails chakra which supposedly dwarfs both of is other immense chakra sources and gives him sensory abilities greater than sensory type ninja.

4) He now apparently has access to spacetime warping techniques like his father meaning he can teleport in addition to the massive speed increases from both nature chakra and the 9 tails chakra.

5) He can throw a chakra ball that can slice through anything and that if it hits will cut you apart on a cellular level. Which with practice he could probably teleport right into your gut.

So not only can he turn himself into a walking ball of chakra big enough to destroy the entire world he can find pretty much anyone and he can teleport instantly from place to place. He's getting into SSJ 4 territory. Seriously how do you compete with someone with better nature chakra than Jiraiya, more tailed beast chakra than Killer Bee, the teleportation abilities of the 4th hokage, better tracking senses then essentially anyone else, and a chakra attack that is simultaneously the pinnacle of both shape and nature manipulation which no one else can possibly do?

By having a Sharingan. Let's look at Sasuke & Madara.

Sasuke has:

1. Mastered the Chidori to the point that he can surround his body with it, make weapons out of it, & do things that no one else can. Although these must be much more taxing than the original Chidori, he can do them repeatedly.

2. Amaterasu & Tsukiyomi. His skill with illusions has apparently surpassed Itachi's for no apparent reason, to the point that he didn't even need a Mantekyou to outdo him. And NOW he has an Eternal Mangekyou, which means that these skills will no longer do such intense damage to his eyes.

3. The Invincible Plot Armor that is Susanoo which has an attack that is apparently so fast that you need to warp reality to dodge it. Not only is he the only known Susanoo user in the series right now, who knows whether or not he gets anything ELSE from his Mangekyou?

4. As evident by all of these things, he must have truly massive chakra reserves, if he can keep using Mangekyou-level abilities with near impunity.

5. The ability to control goddamn lightning.

...While Madara is KNOWN to have:

1. An eternal Mangekyou Sharingan that grants him immortality, at least in the sense that he has no natural lifespan. This means that his natural abilities will never diminish due to age.

2. A space/time ninjutsu better than any other in the series so far.

3. It was hinted that, at his old power, he could single-handedly defeat all of the Kages.

4. Undoubtedly more secret reveals & power ups to come.

5. The ability to control the Nine Tailed Fox.

[Aerozord]

The sharigan was always stupid and cheap. No one should ever have a power thats BASIC form is being able to copy just about every technique you could ever possibly learn

Originally Posted by Art of Hilt

Or we can talk about One Piece and how it manages not to be completely awful almost pretty consistently.
That's an option too.
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I tried that remember? It didn't last too long.

[Premmy]

Originally Posted by Aerozord

I tried that remember? It didn't last too long.

These dorks just don't get it.
Anyway, Might Guy? any rock-lee? might be coolsies

[Fifthfiend]

I want to hate Naruto's last few chapters because it drives home harder than ever that all that shit about working hard to overcome your destiny or whatever was shit because Naruto Is Jesus And You're Not but getting past that it's got a decently satisfying story, some nice shit about Naruto's mom, who's a rad as fuck character and it's a damn shame she dead and they should totally keep having her come back, like fucking Obi-Wan, and then some characters throwing the fuck down and kicking ass and not being all boring as hell about it. And the shark dude is among many villains that I fucking hate and absolutely love to fucking hate, he's sneaky and has totally cheater bullshit "hide in mah sword" powers and fuck I don't even hate him I love that dude, he's the best.

[Lithp]

Kisame & Zetsu are the 2 rays of sunshine that keep me from hating the remaining villainous cast of Naruto entirely. They're so fucking awesome. Cracking snark while being decapitated? Emerging in the middle of the soap opera 5 Kage Summit to start a brawl for no apparent reason? I love those guys.

But I liked the old Sharingan. Copying jutsu that you were physically able to perform wasn't a bad ability. The way its sharper vision was incorporated was actually pretty clever.

Mangekyou wasn't bad either. It came at quite a price & gave a powerful unique ability.

But it started getting more & more shit out of nowhere. When Sasuke pulled that "I can see Chakra" shit, for example, there went the entire point of the Byakugan. And Susanoo was such bullshit that it leads me to believe that Orochimaru didn't die, but quit when he read about that nonsense in the script.

[EVILNess]

The Naruto/BLEACH relationship is pretty interesting. At least the way I see it, when one starts to get awesome the other starts to drag ass and not get anywhere.