Pokemon Umbral Discussion 37: You Don't Want To Enter This Thread - Page 6

Astral Harmony · 08-20-2010, 01:45 AM

Yes, she gets custom accessories and Xth level Pokemon. Those are part of the PC classes. Treat her as a PC in this fashion.

And even if she was an NPC, I'd never let her max out three classes. She'd be stronger than Irene...by no less than 10 ranks!

Geminex · 08-20-2010, 10:17 AM

Hey, make a DMPC that has all 5 classes.
She would have all the levels.
All of them.

Also, I can't find the text document that included all the upgrade info, neither on the notes, nor in the thread. Help?

Edit: Also, gonna download Pesterchum, but can't think of an adequate Chum handle. Help?

Menarker · 08-20-2010, 10:18 AM

Here you are, my friend!

Keep in mind that there is one last part to the list after Demon upgrade, which tells at which levels characters get their Signature Techs and Love Tech. (The next one to come at level 8 and 9 respectively, still a long way from now.)

Dracorion · 08-20-2010, 10:55 AM

Here ya go, Gem. Menarker already gave you the text document, but here's the latest version of all the Umbral text files. Opening post in that thread.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Armored Bishoujo

Yes, she gets custom accessories and Xth level Pokemon. Those are part of the PC classes. Treat her as a PC in this fashion.

Oh, cool.

I guess for her specialty, the only way to go is to make her an Shock Trooper. I could make her a Destroyer, but I don't think you'd let me and we have Jeanette for a Gadgeteer Genius Destroyer already.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Armored Bishoujo

And even if she was an NPC, I'd never let her max out three classes. She'd be stronger than Irene...by no less than 10 ranks!

What if she were a Destroyer? Then it'd be justified!

Geminex · 08-20-2010, 11:00 AM

Kaaayyy...
I think I've got something.

I still have to polish the details..
But how about something like a 'support' system? Every turn, they act as one of their two (or, I guess, three) classes, primarily. If they're acting as a trainer, they attack with two pokemon and trainer attacks, if they act as a Slayer, they get their Slayer attack, and so on. Any other classes they have, support their action that turn. I'm not certain how, exactly, it'd probably involve just powering up their attacks, giving them extra effects, and so on.
The base character, the stats and 'passive' bonuses they got would probably depend on the class they're acting as that turn. I'd give an example, but my time's up. Still, would that work for you guys? Ultimately, it'd be more of an increase in versatility, than an increase in power, which is pretty much what we're looking for. Isn't it?

Dracorion · 08-20-2010, 11:17 AM

How exactly would a Slayer or Demon class power up pokemon attacks? The two are completely unrelated.

Unless you mean something like "Go Tyranitar, you can do it!" and that magically powers up its attack, in which case it's less to do with being a Slayer or Demon and more about being Renny.

Yyyyyeah, I'm thinking no.

Menarker · 08-20-2010, 11:44 AM

I thought it was all based on the number of actions you have during the turn, which I think is 2 at the moment? The way it seems to be be going...

Slayers: Can only attack once normally, but it is potent. Can also use an accessory or an item (got bigger item storage too!). Can use a technique if they got rage for it.

Pokebrids: Like Slayers except they trade in accessory for Paradigm.

Trainer/Snagger: Can attack up to twice if they got two pokemons (Thus their advantage is that they can spread out their attacks even though their attacks are not as powerful as a slayer on a 1:1 basis unless they are buffed or hitting for quad weakness or so.). Can use techniques if they got rage. Can choose to use an item/Snagball instead of attacking.

Demon: A more custom-made class but seems to have the implications of being close to a Slayer in how they can use their actions.

So I'd imagine that with something like Trainer/Slayer, is that they have an additional avenue to how they can spend their actions. They get a boost because they get a powerful Slayer attack on top of a pokemon attack (or any of their other actions). It's not as brute-force powerful as the slayer's later levels of slayer-attacking twice, but it can still have its purposes.

Although... AB, does a Level 3 Overblade with Double Attack attack twice in the same action or does have to use both actions to attack?

As for how trainers/snaggers can be of support if dual-classing with pokebrid or slayer? I'd imagine the pokemons act as a shield protecting the slayer from attacks.

To wit! Every turn, the slayer/trainer can choose:
A: To send out 2 pokemons, leaving him to the back and both his pokemons need to be defeated in the same turn before he can be the target of an attack, much in a manner similar to as if he was a pure trainer.
B: To send out one pokemon and themselves. The pokemon can still attack, but the slayer can attack too and he can't be targeted directly with attacks unless his co-partner is defeated or afflicted with something like sleep that turn. (I'd imagine that AOE might still do a bit of damage)

Dracorion · 08-20-2010, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Menarker

To wit! Every turn, the slayer/trainer can choose:
A: To send out 2 pokemons, leaving him to the back and both his pokemons need to be defeated in the same turn before he can be the target of an attack, much in a manner similar to as if he was a pure trainer.
B: To send out one pokemon and themselves. The pokemon can still attack, but the slayer can attack too ~~and he can't be targeted directly with attacks unless his co-partner is defeated or afflicted with something like sleep that turn. (I'd imagine that AOE might still do a bit of damage)~~

But...

This is what I said! Minus that bit I striked out.

I don't

Wha

BUT

GGGHRRRKTT.

Menarker · 08-20-2010, 01:09 PM

Well, AB doesn't want us PCs to be actually count as Shock Troopers. Originally, my thoughts was that at all times, (except when the trainer only has 1 pokemon left), 2 pokemons will be out on the field, but we can choose among the three which two would attack, whether it is the slayer and one of his/her pokemons or 2 pokemons and the slayer hangs back. >_> It was there that you thought I was drunk.

Although I was feeling groggy at the time I wrote that...

Anyhow, that part you struck out was basically the one way I thought levels in trainer could benefit slayers, since a slayer has a larger item backpack and a better attack option to supplement a trainer, but trainers didn't seem to have anything else to offer but using pokemons as meat-shields and supplementary attacks like weather and what not.

Dracorion · 08-20-2010, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Menarker

Well, AB doesn't want us PCs to be actually count as Shock Troopers. Originally, my thoughts was that at all times, (except when the trainer only has 1 pokemon left), 2 pokemons will be out on the field, but we can choose among the three which two would attack, whether it is the slayer and one of his/her pokemons or 2 pokemons and the slayer hangs back. >_> It was there that you thought I was drunk.

Okay, okay, I think I get what you're saying now.

See, I thought you were saying that the Slayer would be on the field at the same time as his two pokemon, and therefore a target to enemy attacks.

What I forgot at the time was that trainers do the same thing. They're not really out on the field fighting and shit, but they can be targetted by enemy attacks. The Slayer wouldn't be any different.

But! When the Slayer actually wants to attack for themselves, they should have to recall one pokemon and take up a spot on the field.

Couple of things, AB:

Can PC Battle Masters use Trainer Attacks? I'm thinking no, unless the Trainer Attack does much less damage than a regular Slayer attack like if the Slayer was actively taking a spot on the field.

Also, how many items can PC Battle Masters carry? Three or six?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Menarker

Anyhow, that part you struck out was basically the one way I thought levels in trainer could benefit slayers, since a slayer has a larger item backpack and a better attack option to supplement a trainer, but trainers didn't seem to have anything else to offer but using pokemons as meat-shields and supplementary attacks like weather and what not.

What you're suggesting is that the Slayer should be immune to all enemy attacks even when not actively participating. So the enemies couldn't just, say... put Pierce to sleep to make his pokemon go uncoordinated.

Which is wrong. I imagine Geminex would agree with me on that one. He's the one that's been trying to nerf Battle Masters since forever.

08-20-2010, 11:17 AM	#56
Dracorion Moves Like Jagger, Kupo! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: To the south, a little to the left... Or to the right. Posts: 4,910	How exactly would a Slayer or Demon class power up pokemon attacks? The two are completely unrelated. Unless you mean something like "Go Tyranitar, you can do it!" and that magically powers up its attack, in which case it's less to do with being a Slayer or Demon and more about being Renny. Yyyyyeah, I'm thinking no. __________________ Dracorion's dumbass color is Royal Blue. If you see that color, you better run the fuck away. Last edited by Dracorion; 08-20-2010 at 11:22 AM.

08-20-2010, 11:44 AM	#57
Menarker OMG! WHAT SHOULD I DO NOW? Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,802	I thought it was all based on the number of actions you have during the turn, which I think is 2 at the moment? The way it seems to be be going... Slayers: Can only attack once normally, but it is potent. Can also use an accessory or an item (got bigger item storage too!). Can use a technique if they got rage for it. Pokebrids: Like Slayers except they trade in accessory for Paradigm. Trainer/Snagger: Can attack up to twice if they got two pokemons (Thus their advantage is that they can spread out their attacks even though their attacks are not as powerful as a slayer on a 1:1 basis unless they are buffed or hitting for quad weakness or so.). Can use techniques if they got rage. Can choose to use an item/Snagball instead of attacking. Demon: A more custom-made class but seems to have the implications of being close to a Slayer in how they can use their actions. So I'd imagine that with something like Trainer/Slayer, is that they have an additional avenue to how they can spend their actions. They get a boost because they get a powerful Slayer attack on top of a pokemon attack (or any of their other actions). It's not as brute-force powerful as the slayer's later levels of slayer-attacking twice, but it can still have its purposes. Although... AB, does a Level 3 Overblade with Double Attack attack twice in the same action or does have to use both actions to attack? As for how trainers/snaggers can be of support if dual-classing with pokebrid or slayer? I'd imagine the pokemons act as a shield protecting the slayer from attacks. To wit! Every turn, the slayer/trainer can choose: A: To send out 2 pokemons, leaving him to the back and both his pokemons need to be defeated in the same turn before he can be the target of an attack, much in a manner similar to as if he was a pure trainer. B: To send out one pokemon and themselves. The pokemon can still attack, but the slayer can attack too and he can't be targeted directly with attacks unless his co-partner is defeated or afflicted with something like sleep that turn. (I'd imagine that AOE might still do a bit of damage) __________________ THE BIO OF RENNY TRESSERHORN THE BIOs OF POKEMON UMBRAL! Last edited by Menarker; 08-20-2010 at 11:54 AM.

08-20-2010, 01:09 PM	#59
Menarker OMG! WHAT SHOULD I DO NOW? Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,802	Well, AB doesn't want us PCs to be actually count as Shock Troopers. Originally, my thoughts was that at all times, (except when the trainer only has 1 pokemon left), 2 pokemons will be out on the field, but we can choose among the three which two would attack, whether it is the slayer and one of his/her pokemons or 2 pokemons and the slayer hangs back. >_> It was there that you thought I was drunk. Although I was feeling groggy at the time I wrote that... Anyhow, that part you struck out was basically the one way I thought levels in trainer could benefit slayers, since a slayer has a larger item backpack and a better attack option to supplement a trainer, but trainers didn't seem to have anything else to offer but using pokemons as meat-shields and supplementary attacks like weather and what not. __________________ THE BIO OF RENNY TRESSERHORN THE BIOs OF POKEMON UMBRAL!

08-20-2010, 01:45 AM	#51
Astral Harmony Don't Hate Me 'Cause I'm Moe Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Harmonial Sanctum Posts: 6,798	Yes, she gets custom accessories and Xth level Pokemon. Those are part of the PC classes. Treat her as a PC in this fashion. And even if she was an NPC, I'd never let her max out three classes. She'd be stronger than Irene...by no less than 10 ranks!

08-20-2010, 10:17 AM	#52
Geminex SOM3WH3R3 Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 4,606	Hey, make a DMPC that has all 5 classes. She would have all the levels. All of them. Also, I can't find the text document that included all the upgrade info, neither on the notes, nor in the thread. Help? Edit: Also, gonna download Pesterchum, but can't think of an adequate Chum handle. Help?

08-20-2010, 11:00 AM	#55
Geminex SOM3WH3R3 Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 4,606	Kaaayyy... I think I've got something. I still have to polish the details.. But how about something like a 'support' system? Every turn, they act as one of their two (or, I guess, three) classes, primarily. If they're acting as a trainer, they attack with two pokemon and trainer attacks, if they act as a Slayer, they get their Slayer attack, and so on. Any other classes they have, support their action that turn. I'm not certain how, exactly, it'd probably involve just powering up their attacks, giving them extra effects, and so on. The base character, the stats and 'passive' bonuses they got would probably depend on the class they're acting as that turn. I'd give an example, but my time's up. Still, would that work for you guys? Ultimately, it'd be more of an increase in versatility, than an increase in power, which is pretty much what we're looking for. Isn't it?