Pokemon Umbral Theatre 16: 1st Anniversary! - Page 10

Menarker · 12-30-2010, 01:26 AM

Very interesting post. You sure got my attention.

Anyhow, until Renny actually shows up, I can't actually post.

Also, as I mentioned to you in my PM, Kirie's presence in Impact's team (and thus her defeat and dialogue) is strange to the point of being a plot-hole or plain wrong.

The only person who I can imagine you mistook her name for is Kurika. Yet that can't be right because of the sheer personality contrast in both how she fought with an "insane smile" and in her dialogue.

EDIT: Remember some time back when I mentioned off-hand about a pokemon that could use Bullet Seed, Rock Blast and other other moves that could be used by Skill Link especially by a pokemon with high attack and speed? Nintendo made one ( Chillaccino )with its own STAB version, Tail Slap and able to learn Bullet Seed and Rock Blast too. Hehe. Small world, eh? (Although it didn't have Focus Energy or an Attack boosting move like my idea.)

EDIT: Out of some obscure reason of boredom, I decided to help out by looking at all the pokemons from generation 1 to 4 and see which ones have appeared in the RP so far and which haven't. And thus list them so if there is any lack of inspiration, AB or whomever the GM is at the time can pull out a random pokemon from that list and make that a new NPC or foe.

Green means either owned by an ally or is one of the allies' forms. (Or used to be)
Red means we fought it or it is one of our major enemies. (Not going to bother mentioning it if it's green already. I already spent several hours on this.)
Plain black means it had no role yet or such a meaningless one that it doesn't count. Mind you, if I miss anything, let me know.)

The list is organized by generation and then alphabethically.

EDIT: Blue is unseen but told whom has it.

List of All pokemons by Final Evolutions unless someone uses an unevolved pokemon/form.

Seriously, Metagross has been seriously overused!

Astral Harmony · 12-30-2010, 07:51 AM

Wow, that's a pretty bitchin' post, Menarker.

I'm a little weirded out by which Pokemon haven't made appearances yet. Fearow? Dusknoir? Parasect? Victreebel? Those're some of my personal favorites.

Well, I think I know which Pokemon one of the mystery bosses will be using.

By the way, I'm sorry about not having Part 4 out. Writer's block.

Let's see...

Dracorion, I'm not exactly paying attention to the RP post (I figured you five PCs were quite capable of holding the RP for a while) so I dunno what you're apologizing for but I forgive you in advance for whatever it is.

Either way, don't worry, Dracorion. I can't imagine how difficult this is for you to GM. It's a pretty daunting RP and I'm surprised it's lasted this long.

The Pokemon Ranger is going to be pretty much a Slayer who befriends local Pokemon to bolster his own attacks in ways that a Slayer can't accomplish with equipment and accessories. I imagine that Rangers will be able to use multiple Poke Assists at once, able to dramatically affect the environment or deal immense amounts of damage. They'll suffer somewhat in the defense area, but they will probably end up also using befriended Pokemon to reduce or negate damage or incoming status effects. Most likely Rangers will start by picking up a small group, then require turns to re-befriend then or perhaps spend Rage to keep befriended Pokemon after using their Poke Assists.

I wouldn't exactly consider accessories that would inflict status effects upon being hit. That sounds more like additional functionality that would be added to the armor. It'd certainly help Slayers keep up with everyone else.

Interestingly enough, I found something cool for Matthias. I only have an idea for a first encounter, but that buys me some time to figure out other stuff.

In the meantime, I'm going to think about Part 4 while splitting my night between No More Heroes and The World Ends With You. It's a Nintendo night for me.

Geminex · 12-30-2010, 09:39 AM

Okay, god. Time to actually read what's been posted.
Also, fuck you, Drac. I just finished the plan. Eh.

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I kinda have a bad feeling about this. I hope the battle isn't as disproportionally large to our group size/resources like our current battles. I mean, 19 foes against an effective force of 5 (6 whenever we had a Fire Evolith out). It was even worse considering 15 of those foes were killbots who could attack twice for a total of 30 attacks BEFORE taking the evolith's own attacks. >_< I mean, we were lucky enough to have someone who knew Gravity to be able to bypass their evasion and whittle down their numbers. And because their attacks were Almighty type, the option of being defensive with defensive buffs or skills were not viable either.

Thus I can only imagine what a clusterfuck of bosses would be like...

Again, eh. We've got a lot of endurance and rage-generating capacity. We can take one hell of a lot of damage, and deal out better than we get.

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if mainly to get ideas for my edit.

Whoa. Back up.
Your upgrades are fixed. They do not get changed last-minute because you feel like it all of a sudden. We agreed on something and unless we added a clause that you get to ignore that agreement and make major changes for no reason, you will abide by that.

If any upgrades turn out to be too strong, or two weak, yeah, they'll get changed, power-wise. Buffs or nerfs. But no major changes.

In your case, Menarker, if the pokemon you choose is too weak or two strong with your upgrades, we can make some modifications. Again, buffs or nerfs. I'd give you more, but you knew all along what you were gonna pick. If you didn't tell us, your bad. In fact, nerfs is all you should be getting, I'll throw in the buffs cause it's Christmastime. Or was. Whatever.

Major changes aren't out of the question. I'm not that much of a dick. If you're suddenly unhappy with your upgrades because you want to characterize your character differently, or because of a major rule change, perfectly understandable. But if you want them, you need to propose them, and it has to be up to the consensus whether the change gets accepted. Outline your reasons, throw in some bullshit about how it reflects your character's shifting personality, and that'll probably do. But in the absence of that, you don't get to change stuff for no reason. And right now, you seem to have extremely little reason.
To clarify, I'm fine with you dropping the RDPA, if that really is for character-related reasons. But that is the extent of any major changes. The rest is buffs and nerfs and redistribution of major upgrades.

I put work into balancing that shit. I'm not gonna let you (or anyone) just redo yours on a whim. Just as I'm not gonna ask to redo mine unless I have a good reason.

Dracorion · 12-30-2010, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Armored Bishoujo

Dracorion, I'm not exactly paying attention to the RP post (I figured you five PCs were quite capable of holding the RP for a while) so I dunno what you're apologizing for but I forgive you in advance for whatever it is.

Either way, don't worry, Dracorion. I can't imagine how difficult this is for you to GM. It's a pretty daunting RP and I'm surprised it's lasted this long.

It's not so much difficulty.

Rather, I'm apologizing because I just wiped Impact's team and used a plot device to save them just to spite Geminex and cut his balls out from under him.

With much more of that planned for the future.

And I'm pretty sure that's horrible GMing.

Anyway, Gem, I see no reason why Menarker can't modify the upgrades he hasn't gotten yet. He'd still have to get approval, though.

Menarker · 12-30-2010, 12:19 PM

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Whoa. Back up.
Your upgrades are fixed. They do not get changed last-minute because you feel like it all of a sudden. We agreed on something and unless we added a clause that you get to ignore that agreement and make major changes for no reason, you will abide by that.

That was NOT what you said before.

ANYHOW

First of all, we ALL said that my upgrades were tenative and NOT fixed. You never said anything was set in stone. Especially because my pokebrid form was not revealed and that everything that was worked on was more "solid expectations" than "contractual".

Secondly, a significant part of it is unchanged, so it isn't really as horrible as you make it sound. The ICT is pretty much untouched (in fact I even got the specific elements and moves decided in detail which I was roughly undecided on before). So the basis of the character is rather similar. Additionally, I have also worked on the things that aren't actually related to the growth table but will be relevant to discuss regarding balance (like the Signature and Love techs that would be gained at levels 8,12 and 19,13 respectively) or my third Trainer Action.

Thirdly, I have every intent to be straightforward and discuss these things with you in detail for approval. Especially under the fact that these things were all tenative in the first place.

BTW, we should probably do our balancing discussions in the Piratepad which can be found in my signature. Should probably do that for our future battle plans too. Naturally, we'll have to post our final results on the actual discussion threads or ask AB questions there (since he can't seem to access piratepad for some reason). But otherwise, it'll save a ton of clutter on the discussion threads.

EDIT: AB, thanks for your info on pokemon rangers. However,I think in the end, it's not really for Renny. As friendly and kindhearted as he is (or like to think he is), he's more about developing strong friendship with fewer people than trying to branch out among many. In part because raising a pokemon is like raising a pet or being a manager for a boxer. It requires time, commitment, and is not something that you can just drop if you're feeling frustrated like some people like want to do with a bad friend. In addition, capturing a pokemon pretty much means taking it out from its home and family and such. Most of Renny's pokemons were either hatched or given to him or joined him.

Improved armors for Slayers in the future sounds neat though. ^^
If anything, I think Gem would like that too, since it would be a benefit to his build if his armors had a chance of inflicting status conditions when hit.

Geminex · 12-30-2010, 11:08 PM

Yes. We said that the upgrades were tentative. But in the sense that we'd nerf/buff anything that was too strong/weak. Not in the sense that you get to change anything whenever you want. I thought that was clear when I spent hours of my vacation working on discussing that stuff with you. You think I did that for fun?

But allright. As long as you abide by this:

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Thirdly, I have every intent to be straightforward and discuss these things with you in detail for approval.

It'll probably be fine. I'm not expecting you to make any huge changes, I never did. But like I said... When we did the upgrades a few months ago, they worked. It took time, but, in the end, it was worth it, because by the end of it all, everyone was both balanced and happy. The only problem with you guys changing stuff now is that we'd have to do that all over again. That would take time I really don't have. So please, guys. No major changes.

And just one more thing.

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Especially because my pokebrid form was not revealed and that everything that was worked on was more "solid expectations" than "contractual".

Menarker, you can be a pretty cool guy. But if you ever try to make this argument again, you will regret it so hard. The only reason your form wasn't revealed is that you didn't want to reveal it. That in turn means that you don't get to benefit from that. We can use that as justification for last-minute changes. You can't.

And will you hate me terribly if I skip the tactical shit? My plan last round would've been

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Mirror: Attack Fire Lith with Rock attack, Construct attack amp
Lola: Use 2 revives on Ninjask and Armaldo
Whitney: Paradigm shift to Gardevoir, have Armaldo use a rock-type attack-using move on fire evolith
Impact: Hit killdoll I with STAB. Should be dead. Use CCC for 30 rage.
Kurika (CCC): Hit killdoll H with STAB; should also be dead.
Whitney(CCC): Armaldo with same rock move on fire evolith. Psychic on whichever killdoll still lives, priority to H.
Lola: Spend 50 rage to use 2 more items: One standard heal on self, one revive on one more of Whitney's pokemon.
Whitney: Use gardenoir's sync-tech on Dusk and Lightning evoliths.

That should have cleared the field pretty well, probably better than yours, even if fire liths aren't weak to rock (I don't know, are they?).

Menarker · 12-30-2010, 11:14 PM

Understood. I have practically all the details laid out in full on my computer to help with discussions when the time comes.

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Originally Posted by Geminex

That should have cleared the field pretty well, probably better than yours, even if fire liths aren't weak to rock (I don't know, are they?).

They aren't. Evoliths have no elemental weaknesses.
Also, I was unaware that your CC&C gave an extra turn's worth of actions. I thought it only enabled enforcers to contribute in the same round.
I'd imagine that combining your plan with mine would probably would have been best. (Whitney was in Frolass mode using STAB blizzard which has more power and STAB as well as being AOE)
Anyhow, the battle is over with.

Anyhow, if you want to have Impact do or say anything before the next battle or so, now is your chance (since Pierce already has his post for the next part prepared in advance)

Geminex · 12-30-2010, 11:22 PM

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Anyhow, the battle is over with.

SHOCK! ALARM!
You mean that bit where all our enemies were destroyed by an unknown force signified the end of the battle?
My MIND is BOGGLED!

And I had Whitney go gardevoir so she could effectively insta-kill two evoliths.

Menarker · 12-30-2010, 11:30 PM

^^; Somehow, I always come off as some sort of Captain Obvious.

On a totally unrelated manner, I thought of something VERY strange.

You know the Black and White move "Canon"? The one where the foes are attacked by song and where your team-mates can make it more powerful by joining in? Crazy.

Hehe, I even had the mental image of the four male PCs, Impact, Pierce, Renny and Matthias all joined in chorus as some sort of Battle-Barbershop Quartet serenading their foes into unconsciousness/death!

Geminex · 12-30-2010, 11:40 PM

What would they sing? And what's Black and White?

Ooh, and nice Omakes. Though Impact isn't that world-domination obsessed. Yet. He's a deeply philosophical sociopath, not a cartoon villain.
Though if there's a new year's omake where they all get drunk, Impact will strip while singing about how he's too evil for his shirt, too evil for his pants, so evil that it hurts.

12-30-2010, 01:26 AM	#91
Menarker OMG! WHAT SHOULD I DO NOW? Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,802	Very interesting post. You sure got my attention. Anyhow, until Renny actually shows up, I can't actually post. Also, as I mentioned to you in my PM, Kirie's presence in Impact's team (and thus her defeat and dialogue) is strange to the point of being a plot-hole or plain wrong. The only person who I can imagine you mistook her name for is Kurika. Yet that can't be right because of the sheer personality contrast in both how she fought with an "insane smile" and in her dialogue. EDIT: Remember some time back when I mentioned off-hand about a pokemon that could use Bullet Seed, Rock Blast and other other moves that could be used by Skill Link especially by a pokemon with high attack and speed? Nintendo made one ( Chillaccino )with its own STAB version, Tail Slap and able to learn Bullet Seed and Rock Blast too. Hehe. Small world, eh? (Although it didn't have Focus Energy or an Attack boosting move like my idea.) EDIT: Out of some obscure reason of boredom, I decided to help out by looking at all the pokemons from generation 1 to 4 and see which ones have appeared in the RP so far and which haven't. And thus list them so if there is any lack of inspiration, AB or whomever the GM is at the time can pull out a random pokemon from that list and make that a new NPC or foe. Green means either owned by an ally or is one of the allies' forms. (Or used to be) Red means we fought it or it is one of our major enemies. (Not going to bother mentioning it if it's green already. I already spent several hours on this.) Plain black means it had no role yet or such a meaningless one that it doesn't count. Mind you, if I miss anything, let me know.) The list is organized by generation and then alphabethically. EDIT: Blue is unseen but told whom has it. List of All pokemons by Final Evolutions unless someone uses an unevolved pokemon/form. Seriously, Metagross has been seriously overused! __________________ THE BIO OF RENNY TRESSERHORN THE BIOs OF POKEMON UMBRAL! Last edited by Menarker; 02-14-2011 at 03:52 AM.

12-30-2010, 07:51 AM	#92
Astral Harmony Don't Hate Me 'Cause I'm Moe Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Harmonial Sanctum Posts: 6,798	Wow, that's a pretty bitchin' post, Menarker. I'm a little weirded out by which Pokemon haven't made appearances yet. Fearow? Dusknoir? Parasect? Victreebel? Those're some of my personal favorites. Well, I think I know which Pokemon one of the mystery bosses will be using. By the way, I'm sorry about not having Part 4 out. Writer's block. Let's see... Dracorion, I'm not exactly paying attention to the RP post (I figured you five PCs were quite capable of holding the RP for a while) so I dunno what you're apologizing for but I forgive you in advance for whatever it is. Either way, don't worry, Dracorion. I can't imagine how difficult this is for you to GM. It's a pretty daunting RP and I'm surprised it's lasted this long. The Pokemon Ranger is going to be pretty much a Slayer who befriends local Pokemon to bolster his own attacks in ways that a Slayer can't accomplish with equipment and accessories. I imagine that Rangers will be able to use multiple Poke Assists at once, able to dramatically affect the environment or deal immense amounts of damage. They'll suffer somewhat in the defense area, but they will probably end up also using befriended Pokemon to reduce or negate damage or incoming status effects. Most likely Rangers will start by picking up a small group, then require turns to re-befriend then or perhaps spend Rage to keep befriended Pokemon after using their Poke Assists. I wouldn't exactly consider accessories that would inflict status effects upon being hit. That sounds more like additional functionality that would be added to the armor. It'd certainly help Slayers keep up with everyone else. Interestingly enough, I found something cool for Matthias. I only have an idea for a first encounter, but that buys me some time to figure out other stuff. In the meantime, I'm going to think about Part 4 while splitting my night between No More Heroes and The World Ends With You. It's a Nintendo night for me. Last edited by Astral Harmony; 12-30-2010 at 08:10 AM.

12-30-2010, 11:30 PM	#99
Menarker OMG! WHAT SHOULD I DO NOW? Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,802	^^; Somehow, I always come off as some sort of Captain Obvious. On a totally unrelated manner, I thought of something VERY strange. You know the Black and White move "Canon"? The one where the foes are attacked by song and where your team-mates can make it more powerful by joining in? Crazy. Hehe, I even had the mental image of the four male PCs, Impact, Pierce, Renny and Matthias all joined in chorus as some sort of Battle-Barbershop Quartet serenading their foes into unconsciousness/death! __________________ THE BIO OF RENNY TRESSERHORN THE BIOs OF POKEMON UMBRAL!

12-30-2010, 11:40 PM	#100
Geminex SOM3WH3R3 Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 4,606	What would they sing? And what's Black and White? Ooh, and nice Omakes. Though Impact isn't that world-domination obsessed. Yet. He's a deeply philosophical sociopath, not a cartoon villain. Though if there's a new year's omake where they all get drunk, Impact will strip while singing about how he's too evil for his shirt, too evil for his pants, so evil that it hurts.