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Unread 01-04-2011, 01:17 PM   #61
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I will consider conceding the pony for the character and Zekrom and the bitches.
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Unread 01-04-2011, 01:38 PM   #62
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I usually make a point of not looking at other people's plans until I've made my own, but Menarker...

First, plan's not bad, but I have a better idea. Just a moment.
Second, are you making Whitney and Lola use Sync-techs without paradigm shifting?

Since when is that possible?

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Also, what exactly does 'protected' status do?
I get that they can't be targeted until the enemies to either side of them are down.
But what about AOE attacks that would hit them?

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Unread 01-04-2011, 01:47 PM   #63
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I mentioned that.

I don't remember us implementing that. Before we could do that, we'd have to have version for each SynchTech in and out of Paradigm shift.

So for now, anyway, Whitney and Lola have to Paradigm Shift.

Anyway, I suppose I should mention some battle notes: both teams have their pokemon revived and healed to full, though that had nothing to do with Second Wind. Paradigm Shifts are no longer in effect and are completely recharged.

Additionally, Team Impact has their Rage carried over from last battle, plus 50 from Second Wind. Renny starts with 50, without taking Second Wind into account.

AOE attacks on Protected units are wasted.
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Unread 01-04-2011, 01:53 PM   #64
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There was an agreement some time back I think regarding letting sync techs being possible without needing to paradigm shift because they were weren't balanced. Reasons being:
1) Paradigm shift costs 60 rage.
2) Paradigm shift PREVENTS you from gaining more rage. Locks out rage generation
3) Sync Techs requires 40 additional rage AFTER you enter paradigm shift.
4) There is no more free rage rockets to give pokebrids rage after they are locked out of rage generation.
5) Time limit of 3 rounds to somehow get 40 rage.
6) Thus the only viable/possible situation where they can use a sync tech is by having 100 rage and spending it all in one go.

The techniques are NOT that powerful that they require 100 rage to pay for it. Hence we agreed on something like this. Otherwise, we have to change the rules of Paradigm shift like making it cheaper. Or making it less restrictive on techs, like maybe 1 free use of any such sync techniques when you pay for paradigm shift, usable during the duration.

However, like Drac said, and I forgotten, we have not changed the techs to implement the changes.

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Wait, Renny doesn't have 100 rage? He was with the group when they suddenly got recharged.

Also, how are we supposed to know what everyone's rage is if you don't tell us what actually happened last battle? You said some things got altered, like Mirror not actually doing her actions. Also, the group were swarmed, so we don't know how many individual hits the group members took before being downed.

The simple way to solve it would be to give everyone 100 rage.
Harder way is for you to do the math for us, since we can't do with the lack of info, especially not knowing how much they would have gained from being hit before being knocked out.

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Unread 01-04-2011, 01:54 PM   #65
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Yeah, thought so.

What's our formation? Last question.

And Menarker, when was this discussion? Cause your points are flawed.

First, if you have pokemon, they can gain rage for you.
Second, even if you don't, 100 rage isn't too much to spend. See it as a sort of bonus. Paradigm shifting costs 60 rage. If you have 100, you get a bonus, you get to use a pretty powerful technique for just 40 rage.
It's definitely balanced.

And even if it weren't, as has been pointed out, chaging it would require each move to be balanced individually.
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No thank you.

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Unread 01-04-2011, 01:57 PM   #66
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Actually, I have to agree with Menarker on SyncTechs. 100 Rage is far too much, and not actually that easy to get. The simplest solution, though, would be to reduce the cost of Paradigm Shifting and/or SyncTechs.
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Unread 01-04-2011, 02:08 PM   #67
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The discussion was before we learned that pokemons could give pokebrids rage. And not all pokebrids have pokemons. Rachel and Whitney are more like special exceptions (Renny too except he doesn't have a Sync Tech). Most Pokebrids DO NOT have their own pokemons.

Also, some of the techniques do not scale well together.
Lola's Sexy Party technique which gives 3 allies helping hand for a turn, does not really compare to Whitney's Deathly Chill which has 100% freezing chance on 4 random foes and a chance of instant death on them.

Finally, forcing someone to horde up rage is discouraging because you force them not to use any of their other abilities of any type. So they have BETTER BE DAMN POWERFUL, since not using your rage means not using your other abilities to help you survive.

Altering Paradigm shift is one thing. But the simplest way would probably be letting anyone who has managed to Paradigm Shift get to use their respective form's ability once for free. So for 60 rage, you get doubled stats for 3 turns, immunities and one free use of a sync tech. Maybe make Sync Tech cheaper so additional ones can be used more.

Also, maybe give a method for those under Paradigm shift to gain rage (especially those without pokemons) in a manner similar to charging up.

(Trying not to directly advocate extreme changes to Paradigm shift since that is one of my class features and that might make my argument seem baised as opposed to fixing Sync Techs which I don't have access to.)

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Unread 01-04-2011, 03:01 PM   #68
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Wait, Renny doesn't have 100 rage? He was with the group when they suddenly got recharged.
He has 100 Rage. His base was 50, and he did get the Second Wind boost, so he has 100.

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Also, how are we supposed to know what everyone's rage is if you don't tell us what actually happened last battle? You said some things got altered, like Mirror not actually doing her actions. Also, the group were swarmed, so we don't know how many individual hits the group members took before being downed.

The simple way to solve it would be to give everyone 100 rage.
Harder way is for you to do the math for us, since we can't do with the lack of info, especially not knowing how much they would have gained from being hit before being knocked out.
Look at the attacking phase for Impact's group. Everyone has their Rage posted. If you look further back, you should find Kurika's as well.

That's the Rage you use, the last one actually shown.
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Unread 01-05-2011, 01:25 PM   #69
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This is more complicated than I remember.

Does prosperous gift still work with rage rockets?

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Unread 01-05-2011, 01:30 PM   #70
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Nope. AB decided to make that not work anymore.
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