Atlas Shrugged: The Movie

[Magic_Marker]

Same thing with the US when it took public control of rail. The thing remains, with ground transport you are going to need a vast interconnected network that's funded by the government, no way around it. Private corporations do not think long term. They're really good at short term but are shit when it comes to "5-10 years down the line." They'll not want to pay to set up a vast interconnected network. So the best way is to just let government run it instead of people wearing down highway roads and guzzling gas when you can transport tens of people for the same price.

Back to Rand: If you want to defend classically liberal economics go read some Adam Smith or some Fucking Hayak, we can have civil discussion then but do not speak Ayn Rand's name in my face if you want credibility. You might as well evoke Santa Claus.

Further Edit: A more or less good example of Objectivism on the family level.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Adam Smith teaches you how to make pins!

[Fifthfiend]

Originally Posted by Magic_Marker

Further Edit: A more or less good example of Objectivism on the family level.

There's a reason Rand never put any children or old people into any of her books.

[Aerozord]

you know glossing over what she said I realize I know objectivism, or rather its ethical counterpart, under another name, amorality.

Amorality is not inherently evil because it believes good and evil are myths and that ethics are purely societal constraints placed on them. Potentially its not bad, you can be a self-sacrificing saint and amoral as long as you do it out of personal desire then feeling of obligation to help others. But there is a reason most amoral people are also sociopaths, when you feel laws and rules have no hold over you, and view nothing wrong with murder, greed, and theft with no reason to resist temptation, of course most are going to.

A great example is the Ice King from Adventure Time. He finds rules and laws are inherently unjust, and honestly doesn't understand why anyone would view him as wrong. Simply unable to understand why people disapprove of his wanton kidnapping and murder

[A Zarkin' Frood]

By your definition I would be amoral.
What you describe might actually be closer to nihilism or perhaps even relativism to a degree.

Amoral people do not follow a moral code, ignore any and all or simply don't understand the concept.

I mean, I don't have any relevant degrees, just saying. Prove me wrong with walls of text if you like.

I'm too lazy to check what objectivism actually is, because the name alone makes me turn away.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

There's lot of leeway depending on exactly why you are "amoral" as such but generally if you are saying that nothing is moral or immoral, good or evil, such terms are meaningless, then that's just the moral formulations of nihilism.

Ayn Rand doesnt' promote this. She promotes morality and good, it's just that her morality and good is inherentely self-centered and about development of your own person. No way is it amoral. I believe morality of rational self-interest is a term thrown around, that is not amoral

[Aerozord]

Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants

There's lot of leeway depending on exactly why you are "amoral" as such but generally if you are saying that nothing is moral or immoral, good or evil, such terms are meaningless, then that's just the moral formulations of nihilism.

Ayn Rand doesnt' promote this. She promotes morality and good, it's just that her morality and good is inherentely self-centered and about development of your own person. No way is it amoral. I believe morality of rational self-interest is a term thrown around, that is not amoral

isn't that what nazi (I know the philosophy is spelled different, but was too lazy to try and find it) philosophy is based on? Self improvement as the highest good

[Fifthfiend]

Originally Posted by Aerozord

isn't that what nazi (I know the philosophy is spelled different, but was too lazy to try and find it) philosophy is based on? Self improvement as the highest good

Yeah but Naziism was all about like, duty to the fatherland and shit.

Objectivism is pretty much Fuck Everyone Who Isn't Me.

It's not so much amorality as antimorality, the antiwhite and negablack of simplistic moral systems.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Nazism was a poor understanding of Nietzche, Objectivism is a poor understand of some kind of mash up of Satre/Smith/3rd form social studies.

[Aerozord]

I meant nietzcheism, as I said I didn't know the spelling, checking wikipedia it does seem there are alot of simularities. Or rather objectivism seems to naturally lead to Nietzcheism, as once you have everyone serving their own interests then inherently you will have the stronger, smarter, richer lording over others who lack the particular advantages to change the situation

[edit] I just realized we in many ways live in a nietzche society, most nations do, as the affluent use their influence to maintain their dominant status and only real way for upward mobility is to be talented enough that said affluent people sponsor you and you then have the presence of mind to take measures to keep you up there without needing others to maintain your status, or lucky enough to have an idea that doesn't require immediate and expensive infrastructure (see early software). Only real difference is, if I understand nietzche philosophy you are supposed to caste out the heirs that lack that competence, which while it happens most would rather shove the blacksheep in a corner then be known as the family that abandoned a child because he was a C average student.