Atlas Shrugged: The Movie

[The Kneumatic Pnight]

Originally Posted by bluestarultor

I think Objectivism can best be summed up as an ideal made up by a spoiled rich girl who got all her toys taken away and felt she really, really deserved those toys, so she went and trapped herself a rich man to support her and wrote a bunch of books about how she deserved her toys and got them that nobody cared about until after a few people read her obituary and got curious as to why they'd never heard of any of the books it name dropped.

And even that's stretching it. Rand basically never even attempted to live an Objectivist lifestyle.

Well, in fairness to like history and shit, Objectivism is the philosophical notion that people will behave in the opposite manner as the Soviets if they are instructed to believe the exact opposite in every way of what communists believe, as described in a book Ayn Rand read this one time.

[POS Industries]

Originally Posted by Archbio

Huh... maybe... Tintin is a film within a film (projected in a beer hall in Munich) and Spielberg is actually making another Nazi related movie?

-Or-

The twist is that there are nazis. The treasure is Nazi Gold, or Dupont and Dupond are secretly with the gestapo.

Hmm... Eh, might be worth a rental.

[Aerozord]

just watched trailer from begining to end and, I have no freakin clue whats going on. All I got out of it was, there is a train, and some possibly non-existant guy doing... something, and business talk and... is the actual book this incoherent? Will the movie be? cause it looks like it will be a mess of half a dozen simultaneous plot lines going at once

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Originally Posted by Archbio

Huh... maybe... Tintin is a film within a film (projected in a beer hall in Munich) and Spielberg is actually making another Nazi related movie?

-Or-

The twist is that there are nazis. The treasure is Nazi Gold, or Dupont and Dupond are secretly with the gestapo.

Tintin is already pretty a pretty good posterboy for Nazism. He is young, blonde, fights communists, defeats enemies with his superior wits compared to the inferior wits of natives, is friends with artistocracy (its strongly implied Haddock is related to French kings) and spends his days in frivolous hobbies, never doing real work just going to the opera, collecting art, going on overseas jaunts and treasure hunts for legendary treasurse. He's like the ideal Nazi.
Also his archnemesis is a big-nosed, money grubbing jew!

And you know Herge published in nazi collabration papers and shit.

Originally Posted by The Kneumatic Pnight

Well, in fairness to like history and shit, Objectivism is the philosophical notion that people will behave in the opposite manner as the Soviets if they are instructed to believe the exact opposite in every way of what communists believe, as described in a book Ayn Rand read this one time.

Well the idea that you can inculculate such behaviours is fairly well supported but the problem is that if you inculculate them in everybody you won't have a working society.

[The Kneumatic Pnight]

Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants

Well the idea that you can inculculate such behaviours is fairly well supported but the problem is that if you inculculate them in everybody you won't have a working society.

I meant that it wasn't based on any kind of well-developed understanding of communism in its varying forms, nor did it really present any kind of realistic indication of that teaching people that social-mindedness in all its forms is bad will produce people that won't try to kill you and take your stuff.

Which is to say that it kinda' exists for the sake of existing insomuch as being the opposite for the sake of being the opposite with no consideration for the workings of anything.

[bluestarultor]

Originally Posted by The Kneumatic Pnight

Well, in fairness to like history and shit, Objectivism is the philosophical notion that people will behave in the opposite manner as the Soviets if they are instructed to believe the exact opposite in every way of what communists believe, as described in a book Ayn Rand read this one time.

All told, it would hold more weight if the Soviets actually worked the way Communism is supposed to.

I suppose you could say that at its base Objectivism is pretty much just pure Capitalism, with a sprinkling of rape, then a bucket more of rape thrown in, add more rape to taste. But then you don't get to act all superior because we already have Capitalism and it doesn't sound all fancy and "better."

[Aerozord]

Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants

Tintin is already pretty a pretty good posterboy for Nazism. He is young, blonde, fights communists, defeats enemies with his superior wits compared to the inferior wits of natives, is friends with artistocracy (its strongly implied Haddock is related to French kings) and spends his days in frivolous hobbies, never doing real work just going to the opera, collecting art, going on overseas jaunts and treasure hunts for legendary treasurse. He's like the ideal Nazi.
Also his archnemesis is a big-nosed, money grubbing jew!

I have another one I think fits better, she is blonde with blue eyes, powerful thanks to her pure lineage and she is the one calledSailor Moon

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Originally Posted by The Kneumatic Pnight

I meant that it wasn't based on any kind of well-developed understanding of communism in its varying forms, nor did it really present any kind of realistic indication of that teaching people that social-mindedness in all its forms is bad will produce people that won't try to kill you and take your stuff.

Isn't that pretty much the first conclusion you would come to with such a philosophy? Like that's the very first outcome I would come to.

Also Sailor Moon fights Japanese people- Nazi buddies. Tintin fights Jews and Americans and Chinese. Like in the shooting star, published during the war no less, tintin can join up with the crew of American finacned by the jew or the crew of Germans- he joins the Germans and this is when Herge was trying to dial back on real world events in his comics. Also she is characterised as stupid and lazy.

[POS Industries]

Originally Posted by Aerozord

just watched trailer from begining to end and, I have no freakin clue whats going on. All I got out of it was, there is a train, and some possibly non-existant guy doing... something, and business talk and... is the actual book this incoherent? Will the movie be? cause it looks like it will be a mess of half a dozen simultaneous plot lines going at once

I think what confuses me most is the fact that Armin Shimerman's in it, a guy whose most famous roles are parodic deconstructions of Randian philosophy. Then again, it's apparently quite natural for Rand's fanboys to look at those characters and go, "You know what? Andrew Ryan and Quark just get it, man!" So I can sorta see why the movie's producers would approach him.

Why I'm confused is that he took the job. I seem to recall hearing that he's a pretty hardcore union man, for one thing.

[Archbio]

Hey, Hitler didn't approve of blowing up rhinos with dynamite.