"Phase Four: Successful" aka the "Thor" thread - Page 2

TDK · 05-07-2011, 07:05 PM

I loved the movie and found it to be entertaining, but I feel like it was missing something. It didn't really have a big climactic fight scene. It had plenty of fighting, but not a Big Fight. Like it could've been either Loki vs Thor or Thor vs The Destroyer but both of those as far as actual Fighting were over shortly.

Did the destroyer remind anyone else of the automoton from the Day the Earth Stood Still? The remake, specifically.

synkr0nized · 05-07-2011, 07:20 PM

This movie was dumb. It was predictable, failed to inspire excitement, had bland, unmotivated "villains", and forced a rushed, frivolous romance. The decent action and few points of humor didn't salvage the rest, and even the action fell short thanks to a lack of any kind of climax and a pretty weak "boss fight".

Magus · 05-08-2011, 06:36 AM

I liked it. I liked Thor's anachronistic behavior freaking people out and I liked Thor and his posse's plucky attitude. I even liked that Loki guy despite his motivations and overall "plan" being somewhat confusing.

Most of the criticism mainly seems to be "It ain't The Godfather" to which I can only say of course, but for a comic book movie it was pretty good. It is not the absolute best comic book movie but it is certainly better than many of them, and better than a lot of action or science fiction films.

Also, as far as the "action" kind of tapering off, pretty sure Destroyer was the "climax" of the film's action, fight with Loki seemed fairly drawn out/ten minutes long though? Seemed like a decent ending sequence, it was certainly longer than what we got with Iron Man 2's final battle with Whiplash, especially if you add in the obligatory "post-credits scene", and the final battle managed to have some level of emotional weight since Thor is cutting himself off from his one true love, which is fairly more than they manage in most of these things.

Viridis · 05-08-2011, 10:23 AM

I liked Odin, Loki, and the bridge guy a lot better than Thor. Like, Loki seemed like a pretty complex guy what with the "Oh no I'm a frost giant" stuff.

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The romantic subplot WAS rushed though and Thor's ability to see the error of it's ways was a bit "too fast",

This I agree with. Very much a feel of 'obligatory romance plot' the way they handled it.

BitVyper · 05-08-2011, 11:26 AM

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Most of the criticism mainly seems to be "It ain't The Godfather"

Uh, no. Try again. This is not an issue of setting the bar too high, it's an issue of having standards at all.

I mean, if they don't match yours, or you liked the movie, that's fine and all, but this is just belittling other peoples' problems with it. It didn't need to be this generation's Godfather for me to like it.

synkr0nized · 05-08-2011, 11:37 AM

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Also, as far as the "action" kind of tapering off, pretty sure Destroyer was the "climax" of the film's action, fight with Loki seemed fairly drawn out/ten minutes long though? Seemed like a decent ending sequence, it was certainly longer than what we got with Iron Man 2's final battle with Whiplash, especially if you add in the obligatory "post-credits scene", and the final battle managed to have some level of emotional weight since Thor is cutting himself off from his one true love, which is fairly more than they manage in most of these things.

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All Thor had to do was sacrifice himself for the others to get his powers back to defeat that thing. If a person didn't see that coming from the beginning then I guess the story would seem interesting to that person. It was a terrible fight since no one did ANYTHING to it until he confronted it, got Mjolnir back, and went ~~super saiyajin~~ Thor on it. His band of friends were, as throughout the movie, unable to do anything (speaking of it's like the Asgardians only win wars because Odin can defeat armies by looking at them and Thor's powers are ridiculously OP). And the sacrifice of contact as having emotional weight? Please -- I'm supposed to believe that having Natalie Portman hit him with a car a few times and drive him to Mjolnir is enough for epic love? Even the Transformers romance was more solid. Plus what's-her-name (Sif?) is totally carrying a torch for him. What a jerk.

And then there's Loki. Was I supposed to feel sorry for him or consider him a compelling villain with motives? hahaha OK.

e: We're on the way to the Avengers, though, and that could be awesome. I think I might enjoy Captain America's movie -- who'll come after that (Iron Man, Thor, Cap, ...)?

BitVyper · 05-08-2011, 11:45 AM

See Thor's "redemption" annoyed the shit out of me. Like, he somehow goes from being such an arrogant brat that Odin will straight up cast him out of Asgard and take away all his powers to like, full personal revelation, realising the error of his ways, and completely turning over a new leaf in what, a day? Two? It's not even that I don't believe he'd stand up for people in the situation he was in, but getting the fullness of his powers back plus entry to Asgard should not have been that easy. I'm sorry, but if you want to make me believe he's actually grown as a person, you're gonna at least need to show some time lapse with him having to get used to living with weakness or something.

I don't even know if I can call his growth rushed, because I'm not sure it actually happened at all. This just makes Odin look decidedly unwise.

I would have even bought Mjolnir coming to his aid because he was actually doing something right and worthy of it, but not actually fully restoring him to his former glory. In fact, isn't that how it went in the comics at first? He was only Thor when he actually had the hammer?

No wonder Odin's kids suck. He's a shitty disciplinarian.

Edit: Ugggh, and the worst part is that it was all because of his twu wuv, but the romantic subplot was complete shit. I never thought I'd miss the days of Dunst-as-Mary-Jane.

If you're going to make a movie with this poor of a plot, then it basically needs to be Ong Bak 2; just a long string of non-stop beating shit up.

synkr0nized · 05-08-2011, 11:51 AM

There's only so much time in a movie. I guess I should give the same consideration to the romance subplot, but *shrug*.

I hear in the comic, or one version anyway, Loki has Thor convinced he's not an Asgardian but rather a mental patient with an over-active imagination. That seems like a great story, but it wouldn't fit in a movie probably.

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If you're going to make a movie with this poor of a plot, then it basically needs to be Ong Bak 2; just a long string of non-stop beating shit up.

hahahah That movie was awful.

edit 2: I kind of thought of it the same way as Sevenshot below; I had enough other things I didn't like that his redemption, while fully expected, wasn't so bad.

The Sevenshot Kid · 05-08-2011, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by BitVyper

See Thor's "redemption" annoyed the shit out of me. Like, he somehow goes from being such an arrogant brat that Odin will straight up cast him out of Asgard and take away all his powers to like, full personal revelation, realising the error of his ways, and completely turning over a new leaf in what, a day? Two? It's not even that I don't believe he'd stand up for people in the situation he was in, but getting the fullness of his powers back plus entry to Asgard should not have been that easy. I'm sorry, but if you want to make me believe he's actually grown as a person, you're gonna at least need to show some time lapse with him having to get used to living with weakness or something.

I don't even know if I can call his growth rushed, because I'm not sure it actually happened at all. This just makes Odin look decidedly unwise.

I would have even bought Mjolnir coming to his aid because he was actually doing something right and worthy of it, but not actually fully restoring him to his former glory. In fact, isn't that how it went in the comics at first? He was only Thor when he actually had the hammer?

No wonder Odin's kids suck. He's a shitty disciplinarian.

I didn't really have a problem with his short redemption time. The way I saw it was that Thor's heart was in the right place but he had never experienced any powerlessness and thus didn't understand the consequences of his actions. By breaking him down and showing him that there are some things he can't do just by rushing at it head first, he learned to be more thoughtful.

Then again, I am a sixteen year old kid so it could be that I'm just more willing to buy that.

Kim · 05-08-2011, 12:08 PM

Movie was great, but I don't like dissing on people who didn't like it. Romance was shit, but I felt like the movie focused on it so little overall and that it was just a means to an end (the end being Thor's redemption) that I really didn't mind it. I really liked Loki as a villain, but I probably would have done things a bit differently with his development were it me. Loki's development and motivations were good, I just don't feel like the transition between them motivating him positively to motivating him to be evil was done as well as it could have. Thor's redemption actually works from the perspective I viewed his character, which I'll probably go into more in a later post. So, great movie, but it's fine if you didn't like it.

05-07-2011, 07:20 PM	#12
synkr0nized synk-ism Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: throughout the Wired Posts: 6,857	I rarely enjoy the comic book movies, so I guess be aware of that. This movie was dumb. It was predictable, failed to inspire excitement, had bland, unmotivated "villains", and forced a rushed, frivolous romance. The decent action and few points of humor didn't salvage the rest, and even the action fell short thanks to a lack of any kind of climax and a pretty weak "boss fight". __________________ Find love.

05-08-2011, 06:36 AM	#13
Magus Archer and Armstrong vs. the World Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 7,164	I liked it. I liked Thor's anachronistic behavior freaking people out and I liked Thor and his posse's plucky attitude. I even liked that Loki guy despite his motivations and overall "plan" being somewhat confusing. Most of the criticism mainly seems to be "It ain't The Godfather" to which I can only say of course, but for a comic book movie it was pretty good. It is not the absolute best comic book movie but it is certainly better than many of them, and better than a lot of action or science fiction films. Also, as far as the "action" kind of tapering off, pretty sure Destroyer was the "climax" of the film's action, fight with Loki seemed fairly drawn out/ten minutes long though? Seemed like a decent ending sequence, it was certainly longer than what we got with Iron Man 2's final battle with Whiplash, especially if you add in the obligatory "post-credits scene", and the final battle managed to have some level of emotional weight since Thor is cutting himself off from his one true love, which is fairly more than they manage in most of these things. __________________ The Valiant Review Last edited by Magus; 05-08-2011 at 06:39 AM.

05-08-2011, 11:45 AM	#17
BitVyper History's Strongest Dilettante Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Arcadia Posts: 6,662	See Thor's "redemption" annoyed the shit out of me. Like, he somehow goes from being such an arrogant brat that Odin will straight up cast him out of Asgard and take away all his powers to like, full personal revelation, realising the error of his ways, and completely turning over a new leaf in what, a day? Two? It's not even that I don't believe he'd stand up for people in the situation he was in, but getting the fullness of his powers back plus entry to Asgard should not have been that easy. I'm sorry, but if you want to make me believe he's actually grown as a person, you're gonna at least need to show some time lapse with him having to get used to living with weakness or something. I don't even know if I can call his growth rushed, because I'm not sure it actually happened at all. This just makes Odin look decidedly unwise. I would have even bought Mjolnir coming to his aid because he was actually doing something right and worthy of it, but not actually fully restoring him to his former glory. In fact, isn't that how it went in the comics at first? He was only Thor when he actually had the hammer? No wonder Odin's kids suck. He's a shitty disciplinarian. Edit: Ugggh, and the worst part is that it was all because of his twu wuv, but the romantic subplot was complete shit. I never thought I'd miss the days of Dunst-as-Mary-Jane. If you're going to make a movie with this poor of a plot, then it basically needs to be Ong Bak 2; just a long string of non-stop beating shit up. __________________ "There are worlds out there where the sky is burning, and the sea is asleep, and the rivers dream. People made of smoke and cities made of song. Somewhere there's danger, somewhere there's injustice, somewhere else the tea's getting cold. Come on, Ace; we've got work to do!" Awesome art be here. Last edited by BitVyper; 05-08-2011 at 11:53 AM.

05-07-2011, 07:05 PM	#11
TDK Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Reality Posts: 2,914	I loved the movie and found it to be entertaining, but I feel like it was missing something. It didn't really have a big climactic fight scene. It had plenty of fighting, but not a Big Fight. Like it could've been either Loki vs Thor or Thor vs The Destroyer but both of those as far as actual Fighting were over shortly. Did the destroyer remind anyone else of the automoton from the Day the Earth Stood Still? The remake, specifically.

05-08-2011, 12:08 PM	#20
Kim adorable Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 12,950	Movie was great, but I don't like dissing on people who didn't like it. Romance was shit, but I felt like the movie focused on it so little overall and that it was just a means to an end (the end being Thor's redemption) that I really didn't mind it. I really liked Loki as a villain, but I probably would have done things a bit differently with his development were it me. Loki's development and motivations were good, I just don't feel like the transition between them motivating him positively to motivating him to be evil was done as well as it could have. Thor's redemption actually works from the perspective I viewed his character, which I'll probably go into more in a later post. So, great movie, but it's fine if you didn't like it.