Homestuck Mafia Thread - Page 11

P-Sleazy · 07-26-2011, 09:43 PM

Soooo....what it seems to boil down to is Bard or Thad. Of the two, both seem to be making dumb first-timer mistakes. Thad moreso.

IC can't decide between the two but rests on Bard which, Smarty seems to be "going with the flow" and votes Bard.

Then we have the other two goods voting for Thadius. Sifright and Ryanderman. Of the two, Sifright simply says he doesn't like Thadius and thinks he's scummy. Ok. Then Ryanderman pops in and seems to make more of a case than Sifright on Thadius. Albeit, that case is "Well...I see IC's logic on both, but I don't agree with his conclusion".

As such, I'm going to

##VOTE: Sifright

He seems all too keen to vote for Thadius given that Smarty is willing to vote for whomever is of the two.

I also reserve an #FOS: Ryanderman

Because he may be trying to help swing Smarty's opinion away from Bard.

Which leaves me with a final

FOS: BARD, THAD

Guys, stop being reactionary and start being more proactive. We'll never get anywhere if all you do is answer questions posed to you. We need you guys to ask the questions. Research peoples actions. And finally, quite being so worried. Uncle Sleazy will make sure that first time players will get their due defense from a more experienced player.

rpgdemon · 07-26-2011, 10:26 PM

Yeah, you're still up there on my list of people who I don't trust. For one, you completely ignored my reasonings against Thadius, which prompted Sifright's reaction against him as well.

In fact, you completely ignored me in general, when I had what I think was a pretty decent argument against him, as well as mild suspicions against you and I forget who else and the thing below doesn't go that far back. And on top of that, you're trying to win over new players to trust and believe in you, whereas, while I'm a new player, I'm pretty sure the right attitude for a scum to take would be that path. If you get people thinking you're a good guy who will watch out for them, then they'll not vote you, despite being the scummiest scum around.

So.
##unvote: Thadius

##vote: P-Sleazy.

Lumenskir · 07-26-2011, 10:30 PM

I'm gonna ##Vote: Revolving Ocelot. 'Randomly' started a vote train on Smarty and then offered nothing of substance the rest of Day 1, and then doesn't offer a vote or anything of substance except hints that Smarty should be lynched again, which hints at him either knowing Smarty is Town or a desire to potentially waste another lynch on an unlynchable.

Voting to see whether he'll go back into lurking or actually interact.

rpgdemon · 07-26-2011, 10:41 PM

I think we ought to list out who we think are acting scummiest right now, just so that we can have a comprehensive list.

Like, each person adding to the list just copy/pastas the previous guy's bit, then adds theirs. See where the overlap is, and consolidate votes, so that we don't end up all choosing a different member of the scum to go for, and so that if we all end up having found someone scummy, we have it all listed out, in case we get killed off.

THE LIST

**Revising Ocelot** · 07-27-2011, 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lumenskir

I'm gonna ##Vote: Revolving Ocelot. 'Randomly' started a vote train on Smarty and then offered nothing of substance the rest of Day 1, and then doesn't offer a vote or anything of substance except hints that Smarty should be lynched again, which hints at him either knowing Smarty is Town or a desire to potentially waste another lynch on an unlynchable.

Voting to see whether he'll go back into lurking or actually interact.

Don't see a need to interact when it's unnecessary. When I voted Smarty, I was being stupid and acting in-character. Granted, I still don't trust him, but saying that my cause to vote him was 'Random', with quotation marks to hint that it's not actually random, throws far more suspicion on you now. Sounds to me that you want to protect him by trying to divert my vote. And why would I vote for someone "I know is Town" when he was dangerously close to being the actual lynch victim? You're just making him look worse by defending him. The townies don't know who else are townies, but the Scum definitely know who else are Scum.

P-Sleazy · 07-27-2011, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rpgdemon

Yeah, you're still up there on my list of people who I don't trust. For one, you completely ignored my reasonings against Thadius, which prompted Sifright's reaction against him as well.

In fact, you completely ignored me in general, when I had what I think was a pretty decent argument against him, as well as mild suspicions against you and I forget who else and the thing below doesn't go that far back. And on top of that, you're trying to win over new players to trust and believe in you, whereas, while I'm a new player, I'm pretty sure the right attitude for a scum to take would be that path. If you get people thinking you're a good guy who will watch out for them, then they'll not vote you, despite being the scummiest scum around.

So.
##unvote: Thadius

##vote: P-Sleazy.

All I'm saying is I don't want newbies getting lynched because of "newb mistakes". I feel like those kinds of tyrades and lynch wagons usually end poorly, as in, town deaths. They're also a convenient way for the mafia to sit back, not do anything and watch the town kill themsevles.

As far as your reasonings for thadius go, they're fine. But I didn't see that as much more than "oh boy! I can vote. Lets vote!" proceeds voting. Which if you apply your reasoning to it, and take into account he's a first timer, it goes back to the above point. Town killing town on wild witch hunts because the newbies don't know what they're doing. His behavior is to loose for him to be a first time mafia. Usually, if you're mafia, you try to stay quiet and take cues from your other mafiates before making a move yourself. Which, he had none.

Now, as for your reasons against me, I've reviewed all your posts and my "ignoring you" has simply been, because I didn't know what I did nor did you say what made me suspicions until now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RPG

Right now P-Sleazy is on top of my list, followed by Mr. Bookworm, but in all honesty, I have no idea.

Thats what I had to work off of, So please forgive me for ignoring your suspicions against me.

For ignoring your vote against Thadius, I missed it. Simple as that. I was looking at IC's post downwards when writing my previous post. But looking back at your vote against Thad, your vote agaisnt him looks more as a "I'm a vote for you until you explain yourself". Which makes it a pretty flimsy vote in terms of essense. Your vote against me, has alot more girth to it, making it stronger than what you had against Thad, and in my humble opinion, stronger than anyones votes against Thad.

Also, you'll notice that I am indeed voting for Sifright, another first time player.

rpgdemon · 07-27-2011, 01:34 PM

Even so, your post comes off as, "Hey new people, if I die, you're all going to get witch hunted and killed off!". You're trying to keep yourself alive by making new players fear a town without you, rather than by actually being a boon.

You're going out of your way to make new players trust you above all else, since you'll protect them, which seems really suspicious to me.

P-Sleazy · 07-27-2011, 01:59 PM

I'm not trying to make the new people fear a town without me. I'm trying to remind people, particularly experienced players, that they should take that (the inexperience of players) into account and not just write it off when considering certain players actions. Which I don't feel like they have.

And I'm not trying to get them to trust me by protecting them. I'm providing them with a defense from more experienced players which, especially on their own, they may not be able to adequately do on their own if its their first game. I'm merely trying to give them a chance to enjoy the game and not feel like "well, this is what its like to play? to get gang-banged by all the experienced players?" and then not want to play again. I'm sure you'd appreciate the same kind of consideration from atleast ONE player if you were in Thad's or Bard's shoes. Would you not?

rpgdemon · 07-27-2011, 02:20 PM

Not from someone who's acting suspiciously.

I'm a new player as well, but I didn't see you jumping in on my account when I followed Thadius's lead of not voting, in the beginning of the game.

Not that I have any proof for you guys, but I'm a townie. And I'm being undefended by you. You can't have a defense for not defending all the new players of knowing that Bard and Thadius are townies, since it's impossible to know that, unless you're scum. Your preferences, however, could be logically made, if you had knowledge that Bard and Thad are scum, if you're scum.

The only reason that you'd pick certain new players to defend, and ignore others, would be if you had scummy knowledge. Even if I weren't a townie, your actions would still be defensible, because you could be picking people who you would know are innocent to defend, they know they're innocent, and then you look good for defending them.

P-Sleazy · 07-27-2011, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rpgdemon

Not from someone who's acting suspiciously.

I'm a new player as well, but I didn't see you jumping in on my account when I followed Thadius's lead of not voting, in the beginning of the game.

Not that I have any proof for you guys, but I'm a townie. And I'm being undefended by you. You can't have a defense for not defending all the new players of knowing that Bard and Thadius are townies, since it's impossible to know that, unless you're scum. Your preferences, however, could be logically made, if you had knowledge that Bard and Thad are scum, if you're scum.

The only reason that you'd pick certain new players to defend, and ignore others, would be if you had scummy knowledge. Even if I weren't a townie, your actions would still be defensible, because you could be picking people who you would know are innocent to defend, they know they're innocent, and then you look good for defending them.

Or it could be that I didn't attack anyone for voting no lynch. But rather made the comment that voting no lynch is a very bad move to inform you guys of that and moved on with the game, taking everyone's no lynch as if it hadn't happened. Considering most everyone moved away, there was no reason to defend you about that.

What am I supposed to be defending you from?

So you're saying that both Bard and Thadius are scum because I'm defending them? Both town and hope they'll rally beside me in my call to vote sifright? I think not. I've given them both one post, the same post infact, to point out flaws in other peoples votes on them, and why I disagree with thier votes.

I then made the comment that uncle sleazy will give them some kind of defense so they're not just like "well, crap, what do I do now?"

07-26-2011, 09:43 PM	#101
P-Sleazy Can Summon Sparkles by Posing! Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kinging it up! Posts: 2,339	I Soooo....what it seems to boil down to is Bard or Thad. Of the two, both seem to be making dumb first-timer mistakes. Thad moreso. IC can't decide between the two but rests on Bard which, Smarty seems to be "going with the flow" and votes Bard. Then we have the other two goods voting for Thadius. Sifright and Ryanderman. Of the two, Sifright simply says he doesn't like Thadius and thinks he's scummy. Ok. Then Ryanderman pops in and seems to make more of a case than Sifright on Thadius. Albeit, that case is "Well...I see IC's logic on both, but I don't agree with his conclusion". As such, I'm going to ##VOTE: Sifright He seems all too keen to vote for Thadius given that Smarty is willing to vote for whomever is of the two. I also reserve an #FOS: Ryanderman Because he may be trying to help swing Smarty's opinion away from Bard. Which leaves me with a final FOS: BARD, THAD Guys, stop being reactionary and start being more proactive. We'll never get anywhere if all you do is answer questions posed to you. We need you guys to ask the questions. Research peoples actions. And finally, quite being so worried. Uncle Sleazy will make sure that first time players will get their due defense from a more experienced player. __________________ The King is your new master now. Totally returning for the Summer: a mafia Game: Sign ups HERE!

07-26-2011, 10:26 PM	#102
rpgdemon Not a Taco Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,313	Yeah, you're still up there on my list of people who I don't trust. For one, you completely ignored my reasonings against Thadius, which prompted Sifright's reaction against him as well. In fact, you completely ignored me in general, when I had what I think was a pretty decent argument against him, as well as mild suspicions against you and I forget who else and the thing below doesn't go that far back. And on top of that, you're trying to win over new players to trust and believe in you, whereas, while I'm a new player, I'm pretty sure the right attitude for a scum to take would be that path. If you get people thinking you're a good guy who will watch out for them, then they'll not vote you, despite being the scummiest scum around. So. ##unvote: Thadius ##vote: P-Sleazy. __________________ I did a lot of posting on here as a teenager, and I was pretty awful. Even after I learned, grew up, and came to be on the right side of a lot of important issues, I was still angry, abrasive, and generally increased the amount of hate in the world, in pretty unacceptable ways. On the off chance that someone is taking a trip down memory lane looking through those old threads, I wanted to devote my signature to say directly to you, I'm sorry. Thank you for letting me be better, NPF.

07-26-2011, 10:41 PM	#104
rpgdemon Not a Taco Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,313	I think we ought to list out who we think are acting scummiest right now, just so that we can have a comprehensive list. Like, each person adding to the list just copy/pastas the previous guy's bit, then adds theirs. See where the overlap is, and consolidate votes, so that we don't end up all choosing a different member of the scum to go for, and so that if we all end up having found someone scummy, we have it all listed out, in case we get killed off. THE LIST __________________ I did a lot of posting on here as a teenager, and I was pretty awful. Even after I learned, grew up, and came to be on the right side of a lot of important issues, I was still angry, abrasive, and generally increased the amount of hate in the world, in pretty unacceptable ways. On the off chance that someone is taking a trip down memory lane looking through those old threads, I wanted to devote my signature to say directly to you, I'm sorry. Thank you for letting me be better, NPF.

07-27-2011, 01:34 PM	#107
rpgdemon Not a Taco Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,313	Even so, your post comes off as, "Hey new people, if I die, you're all going to get witch hunted and killed off!". You're trying to keep yourself alive by making new players fear a town without you, rather than by actually being a boon. You're going out of your way to make new players trust you above all else, since you'll protect them, which seems really suspicious to me. __________________ I did a lot of posting on here as a teenager, and I was pretty awful. Even after I learned, grew up, and came to be on the right side of a lot of important issues, I was still angry, abrasive, and generally increased the amount of hate in the world, in pretty unacceptable ways. On the off chance that someone is taking a trip down memory lane looking through those old threads, I wanted to devote my signature to say directly to you, I'm sorry. Thank you for letting me be better, NPF.

07-27-2011, 01:59 PM	#108
P-Sleazy Can Summon Sparkles by Posing! Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kinging it up! Posts: 2,339	I'm not trying to make the new people fear a town without me. I'm trying to remind people, particularly experienced players, that they should take that (the inexperience of players) into account and not just write it off when considering certain players actions. Which I don't feel like they have. And I'm not trying to get them to trust me by protecting them. I'm providing them with a defense from more experienced players which, especially on their own, they may not be able to adequately do on their own if its their first game. I'm merely trying to give them a chance to enjoy the game and not feel like "well, this is what its like to play? to get gang-banged by all the experienced players?" and then not want to play again. I'm sure you'd appreciate the same kind of consideration from atleast ONE player if you were in Thad's or Bard's shoes. Would you not? __________________ The King is your new master now. Totally returning for the Summer: a mafia Game: Sign ups HERE!

07-27-2011, 02:20 PM	#109
rpgdemon Not a Taco Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,313	Not from someone who's acting suspiciously. I'm a new player as well, but I didn't see you jumping in on my account when I followed Thadius's lead of not voting, in the beginning of the game. Not that I have any proof for you guys, but I'm a townie. And I'm being undefended by you. You can't have a defense for not defending all the new players of knowing that Bard and Thadius are townies, since it's impossible to know that, unless you're scum. Your preferences, however, could be logically made, if you had knowledge that Bard and Thad are scum, if you're scum. The only reason that you'd pick certain new players to defend, and ignore others, would be if you had scummy knowledge. Even if I weren't a townie, your actions would still be defensible, because you could be picking people who you would know are innocent to defend, they know they're innocent, and then you look good for defending them. __________________ I did a lot of posting on here as a teenager, and I was pretty awful. Even after I learned, grew up, and came to be on the right side of a lot of important issues, I was still angry, abrasive, and generally increased the amount of hate in the world, in pretty unacceptable ways. On the off chance that someone is taking a trip down memory lane looking through those old threads, I wanted to devote my signature to say directly to you, I'm sorry. Thank you for letting me be better, NPF.