Filler? I don't even know 'er! aka the fuck-Bleach [SPOILERS] megathread! - Page 143

IHateMakingNames · 07-28-2011, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Aerozord

but his power doesn't alter memories, it inserts himself into your past.

And as this chapter implies, removes himself from people's past.

Locke cole · 07-28-2011, 01:04 PM

And the memories it creates as a result are complicated enough to include "Tsukishima as Ichigo's cousin" and "Tsukishima was there for the Aizen saga". He probably could've inserted himself into Ginjou's past as "co-conspiritor".

That wouldn't explain Ishida, though.

OK, so Ginjou is an evil dude whose only redeeming factor is his good taste in ramen.

EVILNess · 07-28-2011, 05:15 PM

New theory.

Tsukishima is actually a good guy, being black mailed or controlled into helping Ginjou. Possibly through capture of loved one.

Also, if Ginjou is evil, I am willing to bet that at least a few of the Fullbringers are in on it as well. All the B-listers have to have fights as well.

Doc ock rokc · 07-28-2011, 06:03 PM

Honestly I had a feeling he was the evil one all along. Not just because he looks like azien but because A we never heard what his Fullbring can do. Hiding your power is just the thing a major villain would do in a show like this.

Locke cole · 07-28-2011, 07:46 PM

Wait, here's another way Ichigo might be able to resolve this: if he absorbs Tsukishima's fullbring at the end of the battle, and uses it to bring his friends back to normal.

Provided, of course, that he'll be able to reverse Tsukishima's insertions when he's using the power.

Donomni · 07-29-2011, 01:43 PM

From TVTropes:

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He pulls a Substitute Shinigami Badge from his pocket and merges it with his Fullbring. He is the Shinigami that the original members of Xcution gave their powers to!

Furthermore, Tsukishima's Book Of The End power "displaces" people in timelines/memories by replacing them with Tsukishima. This gets shown when Chad claims that Tsukishima was the one that defeated Aizen, not Ichigo. When Ginjo talks about all the horrific things he remembers Tsukishima doing- like killing all the former Xecution members- it's because the person that Tsukishima replaced in Ginjo's new memories/timeline was Ginjo himself.

This is speculation, obviously.

But fuck, Kubo, if this actually is the case, I take everything back about you being plain old Kubo this week.

Sithdarth · 07-29-2011, 11:57 PM

Ok here is one possibility:

The Fullbringers(sp?) found Ginjou and did exactly what they said they were trying to do. That is they were using him to get rid of their Fullbring powers. The find out a little to late the Ginjou his a homicidal maniac and Tsukishima uses his power to edit the past. Basically Tsukishima takes on Ginjou's bad actions and leaves Ginjou thinking he's just a normal Fullbring user cutting his attack power and some of the danger. Meanwhile Tsukishima has in someway managed to arrange it so Ginjou and the others will look for a new person to take their powers. (Perhaps he edited their pasts and perhaps he didn't.) The purpose being to take away the Fullbring of Ginjou and thereby rectify that mistake. To that end Ichigo was chosen.

Now the reason Tsukishima turned Ichigo's friends was as a final test. Clearly Ginjou had no problem fighting and attempting to injure is old "friends" proving him to be evil. Ichigo on the other hand can't bring himself to do it even in his fit of rage proving that he is good and that Tsukishima can trust him with the Fullbring powers. It also serves the dual purpose that stabbing Ichigo is the only way to gain his trust so that he can use Ichigo to eliminate Ginjou's Fullbring powers. Somehow in all of this Ginjou got wise and let himself get cut again or some such thing.

That brings us to where we are now. The whole Ginjou attacking Ishida was simply a means by Ginjou to get Ichigo into the group and once again proves he's an evil bastard. Tsukishima cut Ishida at the end in order to prevent him from ruining the plan.

It makes sense but there are probably some things wrong here or there. It make for a nicely contained plot though and sets up the Fullbringers to be allies later.

phil_ · 08-03-2011, 11:24 AM

Oh, his sword changed.

Kim · 08-03-2011, 11:29 AM

So I guess Ginjo's fullbring lets him steal other people's fullbrings?

Sithdarth · 08-03-2011, 11:45 AM

No that is his Shinigami powers that let him do that. Which is the entire reason they gave for going after Ichigo in the first place, i.e. any substitute shinigami with a fullbring can take other fullbrings apparently, and also why he had to combine his badge with his fullbring to do it.

Apparently they figured out a way to undo the final Getsuga Tensho more rapidly than it happened for his father. Also, it does appear to have unlocked new powers. Also, anyone else notice he doesn't seem to have left his physical body and yet has full command of his Soul Reaper powers? Or maybe he did and we just can't see his crumpled heap of a body through the dust. Oh and the outfit changed as well. I'm assuming this is probably a combination of having used the final Getsuga, mastered is fullbring, and reawakened his shinigami powers. The real question is can he still use his mask at the level he used to use it at?

07-28-2011, 06:03 PM	#1424
Doc ock rokc ...Really? Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: in Theory. Everything works here Posts: 3,961	Honestly I had a feeling he was the evil one all along. Not just because he looks like azien but because A we never heard what his Fullbring can do. Hiding your power is just the thing a major villain would do in a show like this. __________________ I have a Pesterchum its DangerousDoc I am ether fading out of Time, Space, or Reality...Or Simply my Typewriter is running out of ink

08-03-2011, 11:24 AM	#1428
phil_ Just sleeping Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: At home, probably in bed. Posts: 6,482	Oh, his sword changed. __________________ Be T-Rexcellent to each other, tako.

08-03-2011, 11:29 AM	#1429
Kim adorable Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 12,950	So I guess Ginjo's fullbring lets him steal other people's fullbrings? __________________ this post is about how to successfully H the Kimmy

07-29-2011, 11:57 PM	#1427
Sithdarth Friendly Neighborhood Quantum Hobo Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Outside the M-brane look'n in Posts: 5,403	Ok here is one possibility: The Fullbringers(sp?) found Ginjou and did exactly what they said they were trying to do. That is they were using him to get rid of their Fullbring powers. The find out a little to late the Ginjou his a homicidal maniac and Tsukishima uses his power to edit the past. Basically Tsukishima takes on Ginjou's bad actions and leaves Ginjou thinking he's just a normal Fullbring user cutting his attack power and some of the danger. Meanwhile Tsukishima has in someway managed to arrange it so Ginjou and the others will look for a new person to take their powers. (Perhaps he edited their pasts and perhaps he didn't.) The purpose being to take away the Fullbring of Ginjou and thereby rectify that mistake. To that end Ichigo was chosen. Now the reason Tsukishima turned Ichigo's friends was as a final test. Clearly Ginjou had no problem fighting and attempting to injure is old "friends" proving him to be evil. Ichigo on the other hand can't bring himself to do it even in his fit of rage proving that he is good and that Tsukishima can trust him with the Fullbring powers. It also serves the dual purpose that stabbing Ichigo is the only way to gain his trust so that he can use Ichigo to eliminate Ginjou's Fullbring powers. Somehow in all of this Ginjou got wise and let himself get cut again or some such thing. That brings us to where we are now. The whole Ginjou attacking Ishida was simply a means by Ginjou to get Ichigo into the group and once again proves he's an evil bastard. Tsukishima cut Ishida at the end in order to prevent him from ruining the plan. It makes sense but there are probably some things wrong here or there. It make for a nicely contained plot though and sets up the Fullbringers to be allies later.

08-03-2011, 11:45 AM	#1430
Sithdarth Friendly Neighborhood Quantum Hobo Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Outside the M-brane look'n in Posts: 5,403	No that is his Shinigami powers that let him do that. Which is the entire reason they gave for going after Ichigo in the first place, i.e. any substitute shinigami with a fullbring can take other fullbrings apparently, and also why he had to combine his badge with his fullbring to do it. Apparently they figured out a way to undo the final Getsuga Tensho more rapidly than it happened for his father. Also, it does appear to have unlocked new powers. Also, anyone else notice he doesn't seem to have left his physical body and yet has full command of his Soul Reaper powers? Or maybe he did and we just can't see his crumpled heap of a body through the dust. Oh and the outfit changed as well. I'm assuming this is probably a combination of having used the final Getsuga, mastered is fullbring, and reawakened his shinigami powers. The real question is can he still use his mask at the level he used to use it at?