Thundercats 2011: Actually pretty damn good

BitVyper · 07-30-2011, 04:27 PM

So hour long special aired last night, and so far it's looking a lot better than it had any right to be. Anyone expecting something like the He-Man remake, where the various plot elements are essentially the same, is going to be disappointed. Actually, I think it's less a remake and more a distant future continuation. Okay yeah, the characters are the same, but shit, how many Links have there been who rescued a Zelda? Anyway, that at least seems to be what they're hinting at, but will probably never state. But yeah, don't go in expecting something made just "for fans of the original," 'cause it ain't. The premise, however, remains pretty similar. The opening episodes end with the Thundercats exiled from their home by their enemies. I kiiinda liked how in the original series they were really just trying to make a new life for themselves, but questing after The Book of Omens works too.

The writing is pretty good so far, with no blatant flaws or cringe-worthy bits. Plot and themes being handled are mature enough to appeal to those of us old enough to have watched the classic TCats. The animation is very watchable. We've all seen the character design, so I'll just say that everyone looks pretty good in motion. For once, cartoon characters are actually attacking other living things with sharp objects, so that's nice. In fact Liono's dad got straight up stabbed in the back. Not that there's any blood.

As far as characters go:

Liono: Much stronger character than he was in the old series. Also displays a surprising number of princess tropes. Think Ariel + Jasmine. They've managed to write him as being that sort of character without being too hamfisted about his fascination with ancient technology and his concern for life, or any of the traits we see him display. As a result, he comes off as a pretty complex character, and I found myself really feeling for him at bits.

Cheetara: I said in an earlier thread that Cheetara is the character I'm the most nervous about them ruining. Based on the first two episodes, I think they are doing OKAY with her so far, but I'm still feeling a bit cautious. She wasn't in these episodes a whole lot, but from what we've seen, she does seem like someone who could potentially grow into the old Cheetara. She's definitely NOT the old Cheetara though.

Tygra: Tygra is an ass, but I kind of like it. There's some hints of the old Tygra in him, mainly his being Lancer to Liono, but he's his own character. As long as they don't go too overboard with his being the ass who probably gets ALL THE LADIES, I think he'll be good. Tygra and Cheetara both seem like younger versions of their old selves.

Panthro: SIR NOT APPEARING IN THESE EPISODES

Wilykat and kit: Street urchin thieves with big dreams and possibly some special powers. Wilykat seems to be a bit older. I found their antics pretty enjoyable.

Snarf: I dislike his redesign, and I'm not really sure how I feel about his "voice." That said, while he can't talk in this iteration, his basic character seems to have been preserved.

Mummra: Pretty much exactly the same guy, except his weakness seems to be direct sunlight now, instead of his own reflection. Which was probably a good choice, as the reflection thing would have been pretty restrictive in a series that doesn't have 80s Cartoon Dumb working for it.

Overall, the whole thing felt a lot more on the quality level of an animated movie meant for theatrical release to me. It was very good, and way way better than I was expecting.

Locke cole · 07-30-2011, 06:24 PM

Aw, dammit. I completely forgot about the primeire last night. I don't suppose it's anywhere on Youtube yet? Or perhaps CN is doing a rerun tonight?

BitVyper · 07-30-2011, 06:30 PM

No idea. On an unrelated note, I PMed you some suggestions about your FILM STUDY.

Locke cole · 07-30-2011, 06:33 PM

Ah, thank you. I will have to review that in a few days. My usual computer is in for repairs, so I am internetting from a Nintendo Wii.

Aerozord · 07-30-2011, 07:56 PM

I find it hilarious that the character design people were most worried about is a character that is apparently dead.

Not sure yet how I feel about it, need a few more episodes. But the plot makes alot more sense and they even justified the fantasy and sci-fi elements. So even if over all series is equal to the original that would be enough to put it over the top. Lets be honest, wasn't really a plot in the original

Bard The 5th LW · 07-30-2011, 08:24 PM

I appreciated the scenes where Lion-o defended the Lizard people. That and a few other scenes make me think this series is worth watching for a few more episodes.

Aerozord · 07-30-2011, 10:30 PM

oh yea that was the other thing I liked. Before the bad guys were basicly just in it for the evulz, this one it seems they have some legitimate grievances, I mean the main bad guys are rather irredeemable, but the average soldier is not

BitVyper · 07-30-2011, 11:46 PM

Shit, I just realised that the thing Liono tosses to Cheetara out of that junk pile is a Robear berbil's hand.

Bells · 07-31-2011, 12:34 AM

just a fun coincidence that i thought i should share, but now you can pre-order Liono's ral sized gauntlet

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/p...89&mode=retail

Seems like the first wave of toys is upon us

Tev · 07-31-2011, 08:44 AM

I was very pleased with the series opener. The few easter eggs and cameos I noticed (Robear arm, the old blind guy in the tower, etc.), as well as some familiar voices (Liono's dad is voiced by the guy who did the original Liono), kept me rather entertained. I was rather pleased with how they cleaned up the storyline and my favorite part was that they didn't give Snaf a voice.

Also, my bets on Panthro are that he is not dead, but escaped into the wilds when he was betrayed by the saber-tooth general guy and is working on some found technology to create a tank-like device that he can use to help re-take cat country and save his people.

07-30-2011, 04:27 PM	#1
BitVyper History's Strongest Dilettante Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Arcadia Posts: 6,662	Thundercats 2011: Actually pretty damn good So hour long special aired last night, and so far it's looking a lot better than it had any right to be. Anyone expecting something like the He-Man remake, where the various plot elements are essentially the same, is going to be disappointed. Actually, I think it's less a remake and more a distant future continuation. Okay yeah, the characters are the same, but shit, how many Links have there been who rescued a Zelda? Anyway, that at least seems to be what they're hinting at, but will probably never state. But yeah, don't go in expecting something made just "for fans of the original," 'cause it ain't. The premise, however, remains pretty similar. The opening episodes end with the Thundercats exiled from their home by their enemies. I kiiinda liked how in the original series they were really just trying to make a new life for themselves, but questing after The Book of Omens works too. The writing is pretty good so far, with no blatant flaws or cringe-worthy bits. Plot and themes being handled are mature enough to appeal to those of us old enough to have watched the classic TCats. The animation is very watchable. We've all seen the character design, so I'll just say that everyone looks pretty good in motion. For once, cartoon characters are actually attacking other living things with sharp objects, so that's nice. In fact Liono's dad got straight up stabbed in the back. Not that there's any blood. As far as characters go: Liono: Much stronger character than he was in the old series. Also displays a surprising number of princess tropes. Think Ariel + Jasmine. They've managed to write him as being that sort of character without being too hamfisted about his fascination with ancient technology and his concern for life, or any of the traits we see him display. As a result, he comes off as a pretty complex character, and I found myself really feeling for him at bits. Cheetara: I said in an earlier thread that Cheetara is the character I'm the most nervous about them ruining. Based on the first two episodes, I think they are doing OKAY with her so far, but I'm still feeling a bit cautious. She wasn't in these episodes a whole lot, but from what we've seen, she does seem like someone who could potentially grow into the old Cheetara. She's definitely NOT the old Cheetara though. Tygra: Tygra is an ass, but I kind of like it. There's some hints of the old Tygra in him, mainly his being Lancer to Liono, but he's his own character. As long as they don't go too overboard with his being the ass who probably gets ALL THE LADIES, I think he'll be good. Tygra and Cheetara both seem like younger versions of their old selves. Panthro: SIR NOT APPEARING IN THESE EPISODES Wilykat and kit: Street urchin thieves with big dreams and possibly some special powers. Wilykat seems to be a bit older. I found their antics pretty enjoyable. Snarf: I dislike his redesign, and I'm not really sure how I feel about his "voice." That said, while he can't talk in this iteration, his basic character seems to have been preserved. Mummra: Pretty much exactly the same guy, except his weakness seems to be direct sunlight now, instead of his own reflection. Which was probably a good choice, as the reflection thing would have been pretty restrictive in a series that doesn't have 80s Cartoon Dumb working for it. Overall, the whole thing felt a lot more on the quality level of an animated movie meant for theatrical release to me. It was very good, and way way better than I was expecting. __________________ "There are worlds out there where the sky is burning, and the sea is asleep, and the rivers dream. People made of smoke and cities made of song. Somewhere there's danger, somewhere there's injustice, somewhere else the tea's getting cold. Come on, Ace; we've got work to do!" Awesome art be here. Last edited by BitVyper; 07-30-2011 at 04:38 PM.

07-30-2011, 06:30 PM	#3
BitVyper History's Strongest Dilettante Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Arcadia Posts: 6,662	No idea. On an unrelated note, I PMed you some suggestions about your FILM STUDY. __________________ "There are worlds out there where the sky is burning, and the sea is asleep, and the rivers dream. People made of smoke and cities made of song. Somewhere there's danger, somewhere there's injustice, somewhere else the tea's getting cold. Come on, Ace; we've got work to do!" Awesome art be here.

07-30-2011, 07:56 PM	#5
Aerozord So we are clear Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Former murder capital of the world Posts: 13,824	I find it hilarious that the character design people were most worried about is a character that is apparently dead. Not sure yet how I feel about it, need a few more episodes. But the plot makes alot more sense and they even justified the fantasy and sci-fi elements. So even if over all series is equal to the original that would be enough to put it over the top. Lets be honest, wasn't really a plot in the original __________________ "don't hate me for being a heterosexual white guy disparaging slacktivism, hate me for all those murders I've done."

07-30-2011, 10:30 PM	#7
Aerozord So we are clear Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Former murder capital of the world Posts: 13,824	oh yea that was the other thing I liked. Before the bad guys were basicly just in it for the evulz, this one it seems they have some legitimate grievances, I mean the main bad guys are rather irredeemable, but the average soldier is not __________________ "don't hate me for being a heterosexual white guy disparaging slacktivism, hate me for all those murders I've done."

07-30-2011, 11:46 PM	#8
BitVyper History's Strongest Dilettante Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Arcadia Posts: 6,662	Shit, I just realised that the thing Liono tosses to Cheetara out of that junk pile is a Robear berbil's hand. __________________ "There are worlds out there where the sky is burning, and the sea is asleep, and the rivers dream. People made of smoke and cities made of song. Somewhere there's danger, somewhere there's injustice, somewhere else the tea's getting cold. Come on, Ace; we've got work to do!" Awesome art be here.

07-30-2011, 08:24 PM	#6
Bard The 5th LW Feelin' Super! Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 4,191	I appreciated the scenes where Lion-o defended the Lizard people. That and a few other scenes make me think this series is worth watching for a few more episodes.

07-31-2011, 12:34 AM	#9
Bells That's so PC of you Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: In a Server-sided Dimension where time is meaningless Posts: 10,490	just a fun coincidence that i thought i should share, but now you can pre-order Liono's ral sized gauntlet http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/p...89&mode=retail Seems like the first wave of toys is upon us __________________ *BELLS STORE : Clothes! You wear* them! Free US Shipping Subscription System? WTF?! Zazzle Black!**