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Unread 09-18-2011, 04:37 AM   #131
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So if the rooms were about what you're afraid of, then why was Amy's room... well, what it was? I didn't get it.
Either way, it's about being abandonned, but I didn't see any stars in the sky... so it might have been an image from the timeline where Earth was the only world in the universe and Amy was basically alone in her creepy, creepy house.

I was confused at the end by them showing the Do Not Disturb sign falling to the floor. Was room 11 adjacent to Amy's?

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And was it just me or did Rory actually have a door but the hotel was trying to trick him into going into it by making it look like an escape?
Why would it do that? Scaring Rory wouldn't have served any purpose for the hotel, as I understand it.
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Unread 09-18-2011, 05:00 AM   #132
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It didn't have to be fear.

Also the Doctor moved a little down the hall to the dying minotaur creature, and eleven is hardly far from seven if even numbers and odd numbers are on opposite sides of the hallway.

The Do Not Disturb sign falls to the floor, but it's not seen in any of the subsequent shots, though we do get a decent view of the floor since then. I am going to say, for now, it may be safe to assume it, too, disappeared -- just not until the audience got a good look at it again. I am really enjoying speculating about what was in his room. He seemed unsurprised, though he did want to make sure no one went in there. Guesses overheard: it's the Master, it's a room full of dead/"unsaved" companions, it's something akin to the Dream Lord that was in fact from himself.


Rory doesn't have undying faith in the Doctor, and the latter confirmed that neither he nor Amy is religious/spiritual. So, serving no use to the facility, he was given chances to just peace out. Luckily he didn't take any. Amy's fear and faith [in the Doctor] are so tied together that her room fit both hypothesis about the rooms. I wonder whose room was the Weeping Angels one. I was really hoping for the whole "the image of an Angel is an Angel" to come to play, but nothing about that room was real so it wasn't to be.

Interesting that they are not with him now. I knew that would happen, but I had not expected it already. Though with astronaut-death lurking around the corner and the like they certainly could be in any future episodes so far.


I was amused at the [ahem] slight red herring of the Doctor requesting that Amy saved a fish from that one room.
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Unread 09-18-2011, 05:14 AM   #133
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Is that stated in the episode? Because I'm left with the impression that all of the examples we've been given before that point are of fear.

I know the Doctor says that he misinterpreted the basic nature of the minotaur, but I'm not sure he says anything about the content of the rooms being something else than fears.

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Also the Doctor moved a little down the hall to the dying minotaur creature, and eleven is hardly far from seven if even numbers and odd numbers are on opposite sides of the hallway.
I'm not sure that the fact that the room numbers in an endless shifting hotel maze would be rationally ordered is a given, but I hadn't even noticed the other one was 7.

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The Do Not Disturb sign falls to the floor, but it's not seen in any of the subsequent shots, though we do get a decent view of the floor since then. I am going to say, for now, it may be safe to assume it, too, disappeared -- just not until the audience got a good look at it again.
Yes, I gathered all of that. I was wondering why they wanted us to have a look at it. Especially since I didn't remember its actual position right after watching it, and I had a fleeting doubt about which room he had actually been in.

I guess it's probably just a "we will be revisiting this later" kind of deal.
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Unread 09-18-2011, 05:26 AM   #134
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Default I think the fish was just a joke thing.
There's a line or two wherein the Doctor explains that the reason most of the time it's something to evoke fear is due to fear being an excellent catalyst for people to turn to their faith(s). That faith is then mutated to serve the facility's needs. He then realizes that they were pulled there thanks to Amy's undying faith on himself. I took that to mean that her room could be interpreted equally as a place to evoke a strong memory and recollection of how that faith was rewarded as well as a potential highpoint of fear.

You're definitely right, though -- we were really only shown rooms that contained aspects of fear for their intended victims.


Fair point about the hotel shifting, etc. I would need to re-watch to be sure, but I had thought the Doctor's room 11 and Amy's 7 (the door number was shown at least twice for hers; you must have missed it?) were shown to be close before. This doesn't refute that fact, but maybe they had no reason to be shifted around. Also the chamber it was all generated in wasn't all that big, kind of like a Star Trek holodek, so maybe when it all despawned that's just the way it had to be.


I only noted the door sign thing 'cause I was in the thread. Wasn't really arguing or countering any previous post. More just dumping some thoughts about the episode as I browsed the forum.


Also at first I was like, "ha, room 11 for the eleventh Doctor" before noting that it was also the eleventh episode of this season. Cute.



Also wik: That guy from the planet that gets invaded all the time and his bit made for a strong reference, at least to me, to Douglas Adams and Hitchhiker-style humor.
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Unread 09-18-2011, 05:57 AM   #135
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Also Room 7 for Amy- she was 7 when the Doctor first visited her.
The lingering shot of the do not disturb defineatly seems like it means something.
As for whats in the room- it was totally the real doctor and original rory- reminding Doctor that he is a ganger and Rory is dead and a ghost.
The other question is who does the doctor pray to? The obvious answer would be his companions who keep him grounded. They defo coming back to this.
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The other question is who does the doctor pray to?
Perhaps the time vortex itself and /or the Untempered Schism, since the latter is meant to have given Time Lords the ability to regenerate and evolve as they have.
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And one of Amy, Rory, Doctor is supposed to die this season and if you ditch two of those it pretty obvious who it will be.
That's not common knowledge and you really ought to spoiler tag that shit, not to bring that discussion back.
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Unless he means the obvious death from the first episode of the season.
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Unless he means the obvious death from the first episode of the season.
Well, that's what I'm wondering, since we were told Pre-Season that in the first episode someone would die, but Smarty seems to be implying that it's about to happen.
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