My Little Pony: Friendship is Mafia

[IHateMakingNames]

Originally Posted by Sifright

Also there is a way to keep the investigator safe presumably he will check me to see if i'm town thus proving Kareshs claim. IF he then doesn't say anything at all the next day presumably I am town, this way I get proven and the investigator is safe, that way if i'm lieing he can reveal me by telling every one giving an obvious lynch kill the next day.

Originally Posted by Sifright

Like i'm expendable and there are more townies than mafia if I have to die to straight off expose a mafia player thats pretty much awesome as i've done what my role was meant to do

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

What mafia player? How're you exposing any mafia player here? I mean I'm trying to follow your logic here but it's sounding flimsier with each post you make, unless I'm missing something obvious.

Oh, and some stuff I missed earlier;

Originally Posted by Gregness

Also, Karesh there is one minor detriment to you revealing yourself. Since Fluttershy can't be converted, there was always the possibility of the Cult wasting a conversion attempt on you, but there's little hope of that now.

Fluttershy can't be converted? Since when? Are you assuming that because it might be a power role, because I think somebody said that cult are supposed to try and convert power roles?

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

...Hey, do any of you guys write weird romantic Dr. Whooves / Fluttershy fanfiction?

I can safely say I have never written fanfiction of any kind

You know who we've all seriously overlooked so far? Ryanderman. That guy posted once and then never again. So Ryanderman, if you're still lurking, why are you lurking? Get in here and make some noise damnit!

[rpgdemon]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

I really have no opinion of you at the moment.
I have several objections against Sifright.
Really the only thing that confuses me is why Sifright would threaten to quit and/or be Modkilled when caught 'bending the rules' and claim he was Town if doing so was a lie. He'd have to have real confidence that Fenris wasn't going to toss him and immediately completely invalidate his own supposed 'moment of truth.'

But there's so much not adding up with Sifright right now. So very much.

See, for me what makes me most suspicious is this:

Originally Posted by Sifright

Okay the dude I know is almost certainly a power role I don't know what their power is but i do know their flavor role and it lines up fluff wise with those who have powers, I can't in good faith reveal the person because if their power is doctor/bodyguard role they can't protect them selves and being the only known innocent basically makes them the obvious night 1 kill for the mafia.

If Sifright was trying to play to the town's interests, he'd have said, "I know X is a townie.", rather than going, "The townie I know has a power role. I dunno what it is. Totally a power role though. So, I can't tell you. I'll kill a power role."


Sif, what you're saying right now isn't following through with logic. In order for an investigator to reveal you as true or false, the investigator needs to reveal themselves, and then bam, we lose a huge asset. And scum gets you killed, probably gets Karesh lynched for being in cahoots with you, but Karesh is probably a townie.

Breakin' it down:
-The way you revealed your information did it in a way that was guaranteed to hurt the town. We lose secrecy of a power role, instead of just knowing that a power role is a townie.
-If you're investigated, the investigator has to reveal himself to call your bluff, hurting the town again.
-If you're lying, and the investigator lets himself die to call your bluff, the town now turns on Karesh. It's entirely possible that you said "YEP!" to Karesh to implicate him, and we lose our unlynchable townie.

[rpgdemon]

Furthermore, reading your plan again Sif, it's completely full of holes, and benefits scum more than I originally thought.

You're saying, "Hey, Investigator. Either I get away with being scum, or you die tomorrow. Silence means I live, coming forward and saying something means I die."

If you really thought of yourself as expendable, you'd say that silence means you die, coming forward means you live. That way you're not holding the investigator hostage for your life.

[rpgdemon]

Like, what you've done right now has tied your life to the investigator's. Whatever happens to you, happens to him, and that benefits scum, and isn't how an "expendable townie" would think. If you wanted to be expendable, you'd set it up so that the investigator survives when you die.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Sifs plan is what I'm going to call a Reverse Xanatos Gambit. Rather than picking every path that leads to a victory, he's picked every path leading to defeat.

Of course it makes perfect sense if he's scum, if only he had worded it in any way that made it sound plausible as pro town.

[Sifright]

Okay logic chain + causal relation ship.

I've claimed I am town and that Karesh is Fluttershy.
If a town investigator follows my proposed plan scans me during the night and finds I am town his silence is all the proof we need to accept I am town, where as if i am not he could tell every one I am mafia and then I get lynched that day.

This leads to several consquences when he proved to have lied about my status as townie he will then be lynched for outing himself as either a cultist or mafia. the other consquence of me being lynched will be to prove that karesh is indeed fluttershy because when I die every one will be told I was town. Logically a townie wont lie to get another townie killed thus if a mafia claims investigator role and lies to get me killed it's proof they are scum. Game theory presumes people will act in their own best interest.

hopefuly that isn't hard to follow.

Also HOS: Hawk That really shouldn't be that hard to understand. Although i've rambled over many small posts so i guess minor HOS

[Sifright]

Originally Posted by rpgdemon

Like, what you've done right now has tied your life to the investigator's. Whatever happens to you, happens to him, and that benefits scum, and isn't how an "expendable townie" would think. If you wanted to be expendable, you'd set it up so that the investigator survives when you die.

This totally isn't true it's only tied his life to mine if he finds out i'm lieing.

[Sifright]

my proposed plan doesn't allow the mafia to find out who the investigator is ASSUMING i am town. Which means if i am a townie it's the best way for me to operate.

[Sifright]

Unvote: Nikose

Vote: Hawk

Basically you are misrepresenting all my ideas to try show them as if they would be a terrible thing for town to do despite the fact that if i'm town it's at the very least a safe way to operate and if i was scum it would be a stupid thing to do because it would get me killed the very next day. do bare mind a guard roll could keep the investigator dude alive the night he 'reveals' me to be mafia if i was actually mafia.