My Little Pony: Friendship is Mafia - Page 50

Sifright · 09-30-2011, 02:19 PM

and killing me purely for the purposes of a role claim is ridiculous and hurts town dramatically because none of the townies except the investigator will trust any other townies where as I trust Karesh to not actively attempt to hurt the town.

You kill me and the only change for other townies is that you all implicitly trust karesh and gain NOTHING else whilst that trust might be important it doesn't change the fact that we have already lost one day and will lose another if i'm murdered again killing me for role claim proof is some ridiculous shit.

I'm not certain at this point but i believe that both snake and Nikose are mafia, the whole voting each other thing being a fairly standard d1 mafia tactic so people look back on it and go nah mafia wouldn't try to kill each other so that in the event that one of them is taken out and happens to be mafia we don't lynch the other

Edit: added the word day in bold, I tend to miss words out when i'm typing fast.

Solid Snake · 09-30-2011, 02:22 PM

I'm the Serial Killer?
This is news to me.

Also, both Sifright's logic that "LOLZ Snake tried to play impartial host and gave reasoning as to why Bookie had to die, therefore he is scum" and Nikose's reasoning that "Geminex or Sifright might be a power role that Fenris did not want to kill" are equally bullshit.

Verifiedz · 09-30-2011, 02:25 PM

nikose your being very suspicious...posting alot huh? you nervous bout something? hmm? NIKOSE IS MAFIA.i think.

Verifiedz · 09-30-2011, 02:26 PM

lets vote him

Sifright · 09-30-2011, 02:27 PM

Well I don't get the rational for wanting town to lose a day because a dude cheated the rest of town gained nothing from it and a townie was killed off we lost out already so losing a day on top of that makes a huge difference maybe i'm a touch bitter but the only chance i have to effect the game is via lynching and we lost a day and by the looks of it there are three people who can kill during the night so night actions are vastly more powerful.

I mean it's not like bookie was even on the list of candidates we were considering lynching. maybe it's just sour grapes.

Verifiedz · 09-30-2011, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sifright

Well I don't get the rational for wanting town to lose a day because a dude cheated the rest of town gained nothing from it and a townie was killed off we lost out already so losing a day on top of that makes a huge difference maybe i'm a touch bitter but the only chance i have to effect the game is via lynching and we lost a day and by the looks of it there are three people who can kill during the night so night actions are vastly more powerful.

I mean it's not like bookie was even on the list of candidates we were considering lynching. maybe it's just sour grapes.

woulda bou nikose

Solid Snake · 09-30-2011, 02:38 PM

Verifiedz: You are the anti-Snake.
Like, everything that is Snake, about the way Snake plays the game of Mafia.
You are his kryptonite.

I think it's far too early to be jumping into lynches, insofar as only the active folks are even drawing suspicion. I want a little more varied activity before jumping down anyone's throat.

Also, Sifright: Impartially and objectively speaking.
If anyone 'cheats' and the result of his 'cheating' has to either harm his own faction or the opposing faction, it has to harm his own faction.
The real issue with Bookie 'cheating' wasn't actually that he (accidentally) caught wind of private information, it's that upon doing so he publicly broadcasted what happened instead of going to Fenris first.

If he goes to Fenris and privately confides his knowledge, he could have been replaced. But for Fenris to replace Bookie after Bookie's public post indicating what happened would have had the effect of confirming Bookie's role as Town, which would have put Scum in an awkward position when they weren't the ones who did anything wrong.

Like I do not see what is so difficult to grasp about this. Again: What Bookie did wrong wasn't that he happened to check out "Who's Online" and saw some shit. What Bookie did 'wrong' was that he (perhaps subconsciously or indirectly) tried to leverage this knowledge into 'proving' to everyone in the game that he was Town / (at least, not Mafia) when he could have instead PMed Fenris and be like "Hey Fenris, you should probably replace me given what I now know, also everyone should go Invisible."

Sifright · 09-30-2011, 02:41 PM

I have no problem with him being Go killed.

I have every problem with us losing Day 1 which was your suggestion. I'll drop that line of reasoning how ever because it's based around meta gaming to do with rule discussion.

Also take it easy on verifiedz he's quite young

Solid Snake · 09-30-2011, 02:45 PM

Losing D1 actually benefits Town statistically in that situation, which is why it usually happens.
I mean, it still is a net loss for Town (deserved, because a Townie made the error) but treating Bookie's situation as a Typical D1 Mislynch enables Town to get away with losing only one Townie D1, which is something that actually happens, more often than not.

The alternative is a greater than 50% chance, based on pure statistics, that Town loses two of its members D1, which would have put Town in a very discouraging situation and usually does not ever happen on D1.

Sifright · 09-30-2011, 02:47 PM

Hmm, I can't disagree with that but at the same time we learned very little from end of day voting patterns. Typically D1 gives you clues as to who the mafia are based on who was lynched because the chances of a person being lynched with no mafia involvement is incredibly small.

09-30-2011, 02:19 PM	#491
Sifright Fact sphere is the most handsome Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,108	and killing me purely for the purposes of a role claim is ridiculous and hurts town dramatically because none of the townies except the investigator will trust any other townies where as I trust Karesh to not actively attempt to hurt the town. You kill me and the only change for other townies is that you all implicitly trust karesh and gain NOTHING else whilst that trust might be important it doesn't change the fact that we have already lost one day and will lose another if i'm murdered again killing me for role claim proof is some ridiculous shit. I'm not certain at this point but i believe that both snake and Nikose are mafia, the whole voting each other thing being a fairly standard d1 mafia tactic so people look back on it and go nah mafia wouldn't try to kill each other so that in the event that one of them is taken out and happens to be mafia we don't lynch the other Edit: added the word day in bold, I tend to miss words out when i'm typing fast. Last edited by Sifright; 09-30-2011 at 02:21 PM.

09-30-2011, 02:22 PM	#492
Solid Snake Erotic Esquire Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,563	I'm the Serial Killer? This is news to me. Also, both Sifright's logic that "LOLZ Snake tried to play impartial host and gave reasoning as to why Bookie had to die, therefore he is scum" and Nikose's reasoning that "Geminex or Sifright might be a power role that Fenris did not want to kill" are equally bullshit. __________________ *WARNING:* Snek's all up in this thread. Be prepared to read massive walls of text.

09-30-2011, 02:25 PM	#493
Verifiedz Go! Bwaaaa! Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Area51 Posts: 55	nikose your being very suspicious...posting alot huh? you nervous bout something? hmm? NIKOSE IS MAFIA.i think. __________________ " A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality."-John Lennon. Clearly this guy never saw inception.....

09-30-2011, 02:26 PM	#494
Verifiedz Go! Bwaaaa! Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Area51 Posts: 55	lets vote him __________________ " A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality."-John Lennon. Clearly this guy never saw inception.....

09-30-2011, 02:38 PM	#497
Solid Snake Erotic Esquire Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,563	Verifiedz: You are the anti-Snake. Like, everything that is Snake, about the way Snake plays the game of Mafia. You are his kryptonite. I think it's far too early to be jumping into lynches, insofar as only the active folks are even drawing suspicion. I want a little more varied activity before jumping down anyone's throat. Also, Sifright: Impartially and objectively speaking. If anyone 'cheats' and the result of his 'cheating' has to either harm his own faction or the opposing faction, it has to harm his own faction. The real issue with Bookie 'cheating' wasn't actually that he (accidentally) caught wind of private information, it's that upon doing so he publicly broadcasted what happened instead of going to Fenris first. If he goes to Fenris and privately confides his knowledge, he could have been replaced. But for Fenris to replace Bookie after Bookie's public post indicating what happened would have had the effect of confirming Bookie's role as Town, which would have put Scum in an awkward position when they weren't the ones who did anything wrong. Like I do not see what is so difficult to grasp about this. Again: What Bookie did wrong wasn't that he happened to check out "Who's Online" and saw some shit. What Bookie did 'wrong' was that he (perhaps subconsciously or indirectly) tried to leverage this knowledge into 'proving' to everyone in the game that he was Town / (at least, not Mafia) when he could have instead PMed Fenris and be like "Hey Fenris, you should probably replace me given what I now know, also everyone should go Invisible." __________________ *WARNING:* Snek's all up in this thread. Be prepared to read massive walls of text.

09-30-2011, 02:27 PM	#495
Sifright Fact sphere is the most handsome Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,108	Well I don't get the rational for wanting town to lose a day because a dude cheated the rest of town gained nothing from it and a townie was killed off we lost out already so losing a day on top of that makes a huge difference maybe i'm a touch bitter but the only chance i have to effect the game is via lynching and we lost a day and by the looks of it there are three people who can kill during the night so night actions are vastly more powerful. I mean it's not like bookie was even on the list of candidates we were considering lynching. maybe it's just sour grapes.

09-30-2011, 02:41 PM	#498
Sifright Fact sphere is the most handsome Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,108	I have no problem with him being Go killed. I have every problem with us losing Day 1 which was your suggestion. I'll drop that line of reasoning how ever because it's based around meta gaming to do with rule discussion. Also take it easy on verifiedz he's quite young

09-30-2011, 02:45 PM	#499
Solid Snake Erotic Esquire Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,563	Losing D1 actually benefits Town statistically in that situation, which is why it usually happens. I mean, it still is a net loss for Town (deserved, because a Townie made the error) but treating Bookie's situation as a Typical D1 Mislynch enables Town to get away with losing only one Townie D1, which is something that actually happens, more often than not. The alternative is a greater than 50% chance, based on pure statistics, that Town loses *two* of its members D1, which would have put Town in a very discouraging situation and usually does not ever happen on D1. __________________ *WARNING:* Snek's all up in this thread. Be prepared to read massive walls of text.

09-30-2011, 02:47 PM	#500
Sifright Fact sphere is the most handsome Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,108	Hmm, I can't disagree with that but at the same time we learned very little from end of day voting patterns. Typically D1 gives you clues as to who the mafia are based on who was lynched because the chances of a person being lynched with no mafia involvement is incredibly small.