My Little Pony: Friendship is Mafia - Page 77

***Fenris*** · 10-01-2011, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geminex

Not trying to metagame here, but doesn't this imply that Karesh's roleclaim is genuine?

It implies that stating "the wording of this short snippet of stuff is" is okay by me.

Whether or not he fabricated that wording is for me to know and you to find out.

Sifright · 10-01-2011, 05:56 PM

The information i had to work with was "You can only remember Karesh is fluttershy"

Now I could have immediately stated Karesh was a townie, but with both no explanation for my knowledge and no idea of the actual characters role it would have been foolish for me to do that, so I tried to look for away to say "Hey i'm town lets try and work together" Obviously i screwed up pretty badly.

Now onto analysis of peoples posts.

Verifiedz recently asked when night starts, worrying about night time actions is a fairly typically scum thing to do but it could easily be down to lack of knowledge on how the game works. One thing to keep in mind is that Scum almost always want the day to end early and for quick lynchs.

Nikose, Spread false information about snake and then had to leave suddenly it's obviously possible that Nikose actually had to go but it also gives him time to think of a way to minimize his actions and rationalize his mistakes to us

Snake, wanted the Vig to use a night action on Karesh To prove that he is immune but we don't know that failed night actions will actually result in any flavour text In snakes game when i was the doctor i wasn't informed that i saved some one until after the game ended, So snake wants us to potentially waste a vig action on a confirm and certainly waste a vig action that should be used to attack mafia to attack a townie which is silly.

Snake and Nikose are top of my list.

Gem, Is suspicious of me because I fucked up royally with how i handled my knowledge and because I attempted to suicide earlier. I don't think he is mafia at this moment in time.

Karrrrrrrrrrrresche · 10-01-2011, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sifright

The only thing he claimed to be was immune to cult actions and later on stated he did not want the town doctor proctecting him. I'm pretty sure he is immune to being killed/switched presumably not immune to other actions.

I initially said that the cult couldn't turn me because I was hesitant to abandon the possibility that the mafia would throw a night kill away on me. But afterward I realized that it was equally possible that were my gambit on gaining verification was successful, a doctor/bg might have a possibility of wasting their night action on me.
The reason I said that first and foremost was because with that minimal amount of information I could verify that I would never become cult at any point. No matter how many days went by, as long as I went through and succeeded in convincing everyone that I was town for Day 1, there'd be no chance of a later claim of "Well sure he was then but what if he got cultified?"

Sifright · 10-01-2011, 06:13 PM

Also for whats it's worth if we lynch either Snake or Nikose and they turn out to be mafia I'm pretty sure both of them will be Mafia. It's a fairly standard mafia tactic to point fingers at each other but never actually push for an actual lynch on their own members.

Solid Snake · 10-01-2011, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sifright

Snake, wanted the Vig to use a night action on Karesh To prove that he is immune but we don't know that failed night actions will actually result in any flavour text In snakes game when i was the doctor i wasn't informed that i saved some one until after the game ended, So snake wants us to potentially waste a vig action on a confirm and certainly waste a vig action that should be used to attack mafia to attack a townie

What the heck is it about qualifying language that you all don't understand.
First, I'm not even the first person who recommended the Vig action. I APPROVED of IHMN's otherwise decent solution to a conundrum I posited.
Second, what I said was ACTUALLY laced with qualifiers. The Vig should consider testing Karesh IF AND ONLY IF he has unlimited shots. And the Vig should not be instructed by town to necessarily do this N2. I have BEEN ON RECORD saying I'd be fine waiting until like D4 to test Karesh.

Lost in all of this:
Karesh may still not be Town
Sifright may have been fed false info
OR they may be scummates
Like I don't see what's so terrible about me being healthy in my suspicion of Karesh's near-perfectly invulnerable role

WHY AM I DOING this now typing this on an iPod is torture

Snake and Nikose are top of my list.

Gem, Is suspicious of me because I fucked up royally with how i handled my knowledge and because I attempted to suicide earlier. I don't think he is mafia at this moment in time.[/QUOTE]

Sifright · 10-01-2011, 06:40 PM

No I understand qualifying language perfectly well snake it doesn't change that fact that if the vig has infinite attacks you want to the vig to attack some one to confirm they are town. Not to mention your saying you were okay to wait till d4 to confirm that was in relation to lynching me not in relation to vig testing him

Sifright · 10-01-2011, 06:43 PM

It's almost impossible at this point that I've been fed patently false information, Unless fenris set it up that before the game even began, the pm I received from him containing my role also contained the information about karesh, and i find it impossible to believe that fluttershy would be an evil role.

Bard The 5th LW · 10-01-2011, 06:51 PM

I highly doubt that Sif has false info. He's lying or he isn't, no two ways about it. If one is scum, then the other probably is too.

**Revising Ocelot** · 10-01-2011, 06:53 PM

Well, Sif's knowledge about Karesh is the only thing he "remembers", and given such a specific detail I doubt his "memory" is playing silly buggers. In that case they'd both be town. The alternative is that Sif is lying and both of them are scum - which, considering Karesh's claims to be bulletproof and Sif actually getting a good vote train on himself when he went into Vindication Mode, I find unlikely. I don't think there's any use of them concocting such a scheme if they were Scum, and it's also begging to be Police investigated anyway, which'd reveal the truth. It's essentially pointless.

rpgdemon · 10-01-2011, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sifright

In snakes game when i was the doctor i wasn't informed that i saved some one until after the game ended

This is what I think is most important about the entire thing. I didn't know you saved someone as doctor, last game, and I figured it was just an inactive night for the scum.

Snake, if you said it's okay if the Vig attempts a kill and it's failed, wouldn't you have wanted to mention that there would likely be no flavor text for it? Especially since that wouldn't have been obvious. It wouldn't be a confirmation of Fluttershy, unless the Vig went out and said, "I TRIED, AND IT FAILED, BUT THERE WAS NO FLAVOR FOR IT. ALSO, I'M THE VIG. HOPEFULLY I DON'T DIE."

The reason I'm calling you out on it instead of anyone else who was behind the plan is that you ran a game where a failed kill lead to no flavor text. Heck, I didn't even know there was a failed kill in the Homestuck game until today.

10-01-2011, 06:53 PM	#769
Revising Ocelot Douchebag Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Probably somewhere in England. Posts: 1,897	Well, Sif's knowledge about Karesh is the only thing he "remembers", and given such a specific detail I doubt his "memory" is playing silly buggers. In that case they'd both be town. The alternative is that Sif is lying and both of them are scum - which, considering Karesh's claims to be bulletproof and Sif actually getting a good vote train on himself when he went into Vindication Mode, I find unlikely. I don't think there's any use of them concocting such a scheme if they were Scum, and it's also begging to be Police investigated anyway, which'd reveal the truth. It's essentially pointless. __________________ magic sucks

10-01-2011, 05:56 PM	#762
Sifright Fact sphere is the most handsome Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,108	The information i had to work with was "You can only remember Karesh is fluttershy" Now I could have immediately stated Karesh was a townie, but with both no explanation for my knowledge and no idea of the actual characters role it would have been foolish for me to do that, so I tried to look for away to say "Hey i'm town lets try and work together" Obviously i screwed up pretty badly. Now onto analysis of peoples posts. Verifiedz recently asked when night starts, worrying about night time actions is a fairly typically scum thing to do but it could easily be down to lack of knowledge on how the game works. One thing to keep in mind is that Scum almost always want the day to end early and for quick lynchs. Nikose, Spread false information about snake and then had to leave suddenly it's obviously possible that Nikose actually had to go but it also gives him time to think of a way to minimize his actions and rationalize his mistakes to us Snake, wanted the Vig to use a night action on Karesh To prove that he is immune but we don't know that failed night actions will actually result in any flavour text In snakes game when i was the doctor i wasn't informed that i saved some one until after the game ended, So snake wants us to potentially waste a vig action on a confirm and certainly waste a vig action that should be used to attack mafia to attack a townie which is silly. Snake and Nikose are top of my list. Gem, Is suspicious of me because I fucked up royally with how i handled my knowledge and because I attempted to suicide earlier. I don't think he is mafia at this moment in time.

10-01-2011, 06:13 PM	#764
Sifright Fact sphere is the most handsome Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,108	Also for whats it's worth if we lynch either Snake or Nikose and they turn out to be mafia I'm pretty sure both of them will be Mafia. It's a fairly standard mafia tactic to point fingers at each other but never actually push for an actual lynch on their own members.

10-01-2011, 06:40 PM	#766
Sifright Fact sphere is the most handsome Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,108	No I understand qualifying language perfectly well snake it doesn't change that fact that if the vig has infinite attacks you want to the vig to attack some one to confirm they are town. Not to mention your saying you were okay to wait till d4 to confirm that was in relation to lynching me not in relation to vig testing him

10-01-2011, 06:43 PM	#767
Sifright Fact sphere is the most handsome Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,108	It's almost impossible at this point that I've been fed patently false information, Unless fenris set it up that before the game even began, the pm I received from him containing my role also contained the information about karesh, and i find it impossible to believe that fluttershy would be an evil role.

10-01-2011, 06:51 PM	#768
Bard The 5th LW Feelin' Super! Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 4,191	I highly doubt that Sif has false info. He's lying or he isn't, no two ways about it. If one is scum, then the other probably is too.