My Little Pony: Friendship is Mafia - Page 89

rpgdemon · 10-05-2011, 08:15 PM

Not intentionally, at least. I am quoting you wherever possible, and only paraphrasing when I'm frustrated and don't feel like going back and reading through for quotes of things I've already pretty much quoted.

In complete and honest truth, whenever I paraphrase anything that anyone said, it's what I took your statements to mean. If it's not what you meant, then please correct it with quotes, or by saying, "Look, I've made no posts saying what you said here, here's the post I made at the last paraphrase you said I made, here's the next paraphrase you said I made, and there's nothing between them resembling what you think I said."

It's possible that I may be attributing some things that you didn't say to you, that someone else said! My memory isn't perfect, and I'll admit that I may have bias attributing something that someone else said to you, since it makes my logic sound. If I'm doing that, it's not that I'm accusing you, then making things up to back it up, it's that I have an unsound memory of who said what, and am using that to make an accusation.

Bard The 5th LW · 10-05-2011, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sifright

I'd say lets just all vote for who ever aldurin votes for because at least we know he won't intentionally vote for townies, but does any one trust him to make the correct decision?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubePTrs2VJc

Sifright · 10-05-2011, 08:20 PM

Haha When I first read Earls post, this is immediately what went to mind

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MLry6Cn_D4

More seriously though rpgdemon, I don't trust you now because of those mistakes it's made you hugely suspicious to me, I don't exactly write very coherent posts i'll be the first to admit but you need to make damn sure of what your saying because with out proof to the contrary I'm almost certain you and nikose are mafia. At this point mafia can afford to stick together to try and force things through because well hey GUESS WHAT They have pretty large cohesive group that can work together.

rpgdemon · 10-05-2011, 08:22 PM

I am curious where you're getting your numbers though. There are 15 players left. If we lose four in this cycle, there's still 11 left.

That means that if the SK is 10% of the population, he's 1.1 people.

And if the town has 45% of the people, they have 4.95 people, and the scum also have 4.95 people? I'm asking not because I think your math is wrong (I'm just pedantic. I can get that you meant 5 mafia, 5 town, 1 SK), but because we were never told how many scum there were.

Last game, someone called me out on knowing a number that I wasn't supposed to, and was a townie, so I'm not saying that you guessing at the number of scum makes you scum. The thing is though, I got that number from someone else, and assumed that it was a standard in Mafia games. (It was that there were 4 scum). As it turns out, it wasn't? The reason I ask is because the person who dropped the, "There are probably four scum" was scum themselves, if I remember correctly.

I'm just wondering where you got your numbers from. Is it just a guess, a general standard somewhere, or something more nebulous and dastardly?

Verifiedz · 10-05-2011, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by rpgdemon

Don't go based off of general directions! Go based off of your own thoughts! If you think that he's scum, say so, and say why. Rationally figure it out for yourself, rather than trusting anyone.

Sifright is right that we're at a really high distribution of town and scum. You can't trust anyone (Except, funnily, yourself. And I mean that as in we can trust you since we know you're town by your action). Remember last game, being steered to vote for one person by the general direction was the entirety of the scum piling on that person.

Trying to protect ur mafia friend?

Sifright · 10-05-2011, 08:24 PM

I'm going with 25-33% of initial players are scum which is fairly typical according to the mafia wiki fenris initial plan was for 25 players which is the number i'm working from. I'm being pessimistic as well there could be be only four mafia but I don't believe that to be the case.

Sifright · 10-05-2011, 08:27 PM

Also it's 2:30am here so my posts are only going to get more rambly but I almost don't want to go to bed.. THe last time i did that well..

rpgdemon · 10-05-2011, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Sifright

More seriously though rpgdemon, I don't trust you now because of those mistakes it's made you hugely suspicious to me, I don't exactly write very coherent posts i'll be the first to admit but you need to make damn sure of what your saying because with out proof to the contrary I'm almost certain you and nikose are mafia. At this point mafia can afford to stick together to try and force things through because well hey GUESS WHAT They have pretty large cohesive group that can work together.

Ah. I don't mean to actually be sticking up for Nik, except by proxy.

I'm saying that people shouldn't trust you and Karesh to be townies, and shouldn't go on what you say. I'm trying to promote a rationalist viewpoint about who we lynch. (HI HARRY POTTER AND THE METHODS OF RATIONALITY, AND YOUR INFLUENCE ON MY BRAIN)

It doesn't matter to me if we do or don't lynch Nikose today, so much as it matters that we do it for the right reasons. I don't mind making a mistake, if we made the proper play/properly went through the decision making process. In poker, whenever I lose, despite doing what I was supposed to do, I'm happy to have lost properly, rather than to have won by doing something that would have been the wrong play. I don't have any opinion saying that Nikose is strongly scum, and I don't have any strong feeling of him being a townie.

My main thing is that I don't want us lynching him because it seems the thing to do. Whenever someone votes for someone else, they ought to have a solid reasoning backing themselves up, and not just do it because everyone else is. And if everyone does that, faulty reasoning ought to be able to be proven wrong, and we should have a much better chance at hitting the right person.

rpgdemon · 10-05-2011, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Verifiedz

Trying to protect ur mafia friend?

No, I'm trying to protect my brain, which is my logical friend.

I like logic, and the organization of things in a logical manner. If everyone gives their votes and stuff with their logical thought process backing it up, it will help the town find the scum.

Sifright · 10-05-2011, 08:30 PM

Yes Which is what i've wanted every god damn day. Do you not see all my posts screaming for this?

10-05-2011, 08:15 PM	#881
rpgdemon Not a Taco Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,313	Not intentionally, at least. I am quoting you wherever possible, and only paraphrasing when I'm frustrated and don't feel like going back and reading through for quotes of things I've already pretty much quoted. In complete and honest truth, whenever I paraphrase anything that anyone said, it's what I took your statements to mean. If it's not what you meant, then please correct it with quotes, or by saying, "Look, I've made no posts saying what you said here, here's the post I made at the last paraphrase you said I made, here's the next paraphrase you said I made, and there's nothing between them resembling what you think I said." It's possible that I may be attributing some things that you didn't say to you, that someone else said! My memory isn't perfect, and I'll admit that I may have bias attributing something that someone else said to you, since it makes my logic sound. If I'm doing that, it's not that I'm accusing you, then making things up to back it up, it's that I have an unsound memory of who said what, and am using that to make an accusation. __________________ I did a lot of posting on here as a teenager, and I was pretty awful. Even after I learned, grew up, and came to be on the right side of a lot of important issues, I was still angry, abrasive, and generally increased the amount of hate in the world, in pretty unacceptable ways. On the off chance that someone is taking a trip down memory lane looking through those old threads, I wanted to devote my signature to say directly to you, I'm sorry. Thank you for letting me be better, NPF.

10-05-2011, 08:22 PM	#884
rpgdemon Not a Taco Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,313	I am curious where you're getting your numbers though. There are 15 players left. If we lose four in this cycle, there's still 11 left. That means that if the SK is 10% of the population, he's 1.1 people. And if the town has 45% of the people, they have 4.95 people, and the scum also have 4.95 people? I'm asking not because I think your math is wrong (I'm just pedantic. I can get that you meant 5 mafia, 5 town, 1 SK), but because we were never told how many scum there were. Last game, someone called me out on knowing a number that I wasn't supposed to, and was a townie, so I'm not saying that you guessing at the number of scum makes you scum. The thing is though, I got that number from someone else, and assumed that it was a standard in Mafia games. (It was that there were 4 scum). As it turns out, it wasn't? The reason I ask is because the person who dropped the, "There are probably four scum" was scum themselves, if I remember correctly. I'm just wondering where you got your numbers from. Is it just a guess, a general standard somewhere, or something more nebulous and dastardly? __________________ I did a lot of posting on here as a teenager, and I was pretty awful. Even after I learned, grew up, and came to be on the right side of a lot of important issues, I was still angry, abrasive, and generally increased the amount of hate in the world, in pretty unacceptable ways. On the off chance that someone is taking a trip down memory lane looking through those old threads, I wanted to devote my signature to say directly to you, I'm sorry. Thank you for letting me be better, NPF.

10-05-2011, 08:20 PM	#883
Sifright Fact sphere is the most handsome Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,108	Haha When I first read Earls post, this is immediately what went to mind http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MLry6Cn_D4 More seriously though rpgdemon, I don't trust you now because of those mistakes it's made you hugely suspicious to me, I don't exactly write very coherent posts i'll be the first to admit but you need to make damn sure of what your saying because with out proof to the contrary I'm almost certain you and nikose are mafia. At this point mafia can afford to stick together to try and force things through because well hey GUESS WHAT They have pretty large cohesive group that can work together.

10-05-2011, 08:24 PM	#886
Sifright Fact sphere is the most handsome Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,108	I'm going with 25-33% of initial players are scum which is fairly typical according to the mafia wiki fenris initial plan was for 25 players which is the number i'm working from. I'm being pessimistic as well there could be be only four mafia but I don't believe that to be the case.

10-05-2011, 08:27 PM	#887
Sifright Fact sphere is the most handsome Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,108	Also it's 2:30am here so my posts are only going to get more rambly but I almost don't want to go to bed.. THe last time i did that well..

10-05-2011, 08:30 PM	#890
Sifright Fact sphere is the most handsome Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,108	Yes Which is what i've wanted every god damn day. Do you not see all my posts screaming for this?