Filler? I don't even know 'er! aka the fuck-Bleach [SPOILERS] megathread!

[Kim]

It showed up more then than it does now, but yeah what you're saying is basically true, it's just that it was accompanied with the fact that even with mid-battle powerup he was still weak as shit compared to the big bosses.

[Sithdarth]

There has been literally nothing whatsoever to suggest this is actually the case and several pieces of evidence to the contrary.

I believe Urahara specifically mentions that one stage of loosing his powers was that the time he spent in training in the Totally Not A Hyperbolic Time Chamber was reversed explaining why he suddenly lost all that grown out hair. Now that being Unohana specifically mentioned at an earlier point before that training that Ichigo already had twice the reiryoku of an average Captain. However, that doesn't necessarily make him a stronger fighter in that the centuries of experience the Captain's have is a significant boost. Of course we have no idea what kind of training went on with them. We also don't know if anything has changed with Ichigo now that he was able to get his sword to teach him a technique without having to beat it out of him.

[Kim]

Well, Ichigo's stronger now than he was before. He beat Ulqiorra, who was arguably the strongest Espada, depending on whether or not Yami is technically stronger than Ulqiorra after powering up. We can't really know since Ichigo didn't use his powers to punk Yami. Other captains had trouble with their respective Espadas, with a few exceptions to be made for the uberstrong captains. If Ichigo isn't stronger than all of the Captains now, he's most certainly stronger than at least half of them.

[Locke cole]

Originally Posted by BitVyper

Now in fairness, I only read the Soul Society arc, but that's the one everyone says was good, and I gotta say most of what I remember is Ichigo defeating opponents by getting mid-battle power up after power up.

Not to say that's necessarily bad or anything. I'm just saying I never really got the impression that he was a particularly clever fighter like you're suggesting.

There was, well, I remember a fight with that. Against Renji. He realized that his attack pattern with Zabimaru necessitated a short period of vulnerability when he retracted the thing.

And then Renji smacks him in the face anyway because he wasn't fast enough to take advantage of that.

And then he wins anyway by finally pulling off a Getsuga.

[Aerozord]

Originally Posted by Liz

Well, Ichigo's stronger now than he was before. He beat Ulqiorra, who was arguably the strongest Espada, depending on whether or not Yami is technically stronger than Ulqiorra after powering up. We can't really know since Ichigo didn't use his powers to punk Yami. Other captains had trouble with their respective Espadas, with a few exceptions to be made for the uberstrong captains. If Ichigo isn't stronger than all of the Captains now, he's most certainly stronger than at least half of them.

If I recall, he only beat him thanks to going hollow crazy again.

Originally Posted by Sithdarth

I believe Urahara specifically mentions that one stage of loosing his powers was that the time he spent in training in the Totally Not A Hyperbolic Time Chamber was reversed explaining why he suddenly lost all that grown out hair. Now that being Unohana specifically mentioned at an earlier point before that training that Ichigo already had twice the reiryoku of an average Captain. However, that doesn't necessarily make him a stronger fighter in that the centuries of experience the Captain's have is a significant boost. Of course we have no idea what kind of training went on with them. We also don't know if anything has changed with Ichigo now that he was able to get his sword to teach him a technique without having to beat it out of him.

Lack of training has been shown in the series to matter. Chad even commented that his lack of experience was his greatest weakness, most obvious in his fight with Ikkaku. Another example was Ichigo and Renji's fights with Byakuya. Just because you have bankai, doesn't mean you know how to use it well.

[Locke cole]

Ichigo's Hollow knows how to use his Bankai much better than Ichigo does.

Actually, he seems to consistently know how to fight much better than Ichigo.

[Ecks]

You could argue a case that his Hollow has super murder skills.
Also no conscience skills, making super versions of regular attacks skills, and being in control of his empathic weapon's true form skills.

Zanpakutou only want masters with great skills.

[Grimpond]

Ikkaku one more continues to become better and better!

So cool.

Tsukishima has physically hurt me.

Like, am I reading this right? we're using this situation again?

Byakuya: Does your power work with inorganic matter as well?

Tsukishima: "Well, I don't remember saying....That it doesn't"

Really, titty kubo?

[Aerozord]

what Ikkaku said loses alot of its weight when you remember Kenpachi probably wouldn't care either

[Locke cole]

Yeah.

When did Tsukishima's power take on the lack-of-limitations that One Piece characters have?