My Little Pony: Friendship is Mafia - Page 152

Professor Smarmiarty · 10-24-2011, 03:43 PM

The Vig would have been culted N1, the mafia n2 and the bodyguard died n2 if the cult didn't die. We had town power in our sights and mafia in our sights. It was only cause we all died n1 that that didn't happen.
And just cause us culties fucked up hard doesn't mean your strategy worked. If the cult hadn't fucked up the thing that didn't happen would have happened. That was exactly what the cult was going to do.
I have given constructive critism. I'm saying drilling up massive amounts of posts on day 1 is incredibly risky because it unleashes lots of information. While this is helpful for the town lyches it is also helpful for the scum and depending upon the distribution of roles it can be more helpful to scum than to town. That really depends on how many scum power roles are floating around whether this is good on not.
It's not a difficult thing I'm saying here but you missi t eveyr time.

I never advocated d1 "joke votes" and I never have. You just like to strawman them as joke votes.

But I don't need to have this argument anymore. It's a fun game. You making it not fun. So I'mgoing to focus on kicking ponies.

Vote:No Lynch

Nikose Tyris · 10-24-2011, 03:44 PM

Early on, I outlined everyone's suspected roles in a PM to my fellow mafiates. I got RO incorrect, and I got Snake incorrect. I believe I had everyone else spot-on, excluding the labelling the CMC's as "Vanilla".

Also lawl 3 day 1 public accusations correct to the point of annoying Fenris.

Also lawl RO posting challenging my PO claim right after I got told "Dude what the hell the PO can just counterclaim and call you ou- ooooohhhhh" And I laughed.

Also I had a broken computer and essentially no way to continue posting in the game actively, so I started acting scummy to draw more attention to me, and essentially mafia-bomb. I had my fingers crossed that RO's whole "He's a jester" thing would pay off for me and that someone would nightkill me- it would make my very neutral/positive pony name seem that much more beneficial, and it would make my day 3 claim better.

Then Gregness posted and I wasn't able to reply adequately to his challenges. XD I swear I had a good response, but you bested me this game, my friend!

Professor Smarmiarty · 10-24-2011, 03:46 PM

After you called me out Day 1 I totally tried to give you cult hypnotism with my mind!
I hope it worked.

Geminex · 10-24-2011, 03:47 PM

Yo, experienced ones.
How could I have improved my game? I thought I was doing okay at hiding my role, and apparently snake thought well of my townie efforts (tragically cut short), but I'd value some constructive criticism.

Solid Snake · 10-24-2011, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants

It's not a difficult thing I'm saying here but you missi t eveyr time.

I "miss it every time" because the nature of your criticism is not remotely constructive.

First: Merely saying "your preferred style of play has different strengths and weaknesses depending on the exact layout of scum and town power" is completely different than the "you played a terrible game Snake what the hell are you talking about?" post you initially made. The former is a calculated risk I'll take nearly every time to match my preferred playstyle. The latter is an insult that leads us nowhere if it's unsupported.

Second: If you think I played a terrible game and want to support the accusation in a way that doesn't seem petty, give me a concrete example. Instead of saying "Snake you totally gave Cult all this information but I'm not going to tell you exactly what you leaked," say, "Snake, remember when you said X in post #123? Well, as Cult Leader I was able to use Hawk's response to that comment to determine that Hawk was Vig."
The latter is constructive; it's a statement that definitively articulates exactly how I fucked up in a way that actually supports a thesis that yeah, maybe I didn't know what the fuck I was doing.

The former is just an insult laced with enough vague ambiguities that I can't even counter it. If you just say "Snake, you were terrible, THE END," there's no way to defend myself because I don't even know what specific mistake I made. And the alternative -- that my playstyle was merely risky, but not necessarily "inferior" -- does absolutely nothing to support a conclusion that I played an awful game.

Nikose Tyris · 10-24-2011, 03:52 PM

Smarty: It totally did. I've secretly been cult and trying to mess up everyone's game the whole time!

Gem: You did fine. I usually utterly disregard my role in every way- I don't have 'special knowledge' or a special power, but people sure as heck suspected me of THINGS the whole game- and not everyone thought it was mafia. Actually, up until Day 3 very few people thought it was mafia.

I sincerely hope there are no lasting sorepoints because of this game, with anyone at all.

Sifright · 10-24-2011, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nikose Tyris

Smarty: It totally did. I've secretly been cult and trying to mess up everyone's game the whole time!

Gem: You did fine. I usually utterly disregard my role in every way- I don't have 'special knowledge' or a special power, but people sure as heck suspected me of THINGS the whole game- and not everyone thought it was mafia. Actually, up until Day 3 very few people thought it was mafia.

I sincerely hope there are no lasting sorepoints because of this game, with anyone at all.

See I don't understand how that happened I had you pegged as mafia day 2. I just couldn't see how others weren't seeing it.

Professor Smarmiarty · 10-24-2011, 03:55 PM

I've told you how you outed the vig. It wasn't in one of your posts. Lrn to read. FFS.
Like I could go through and find the exact hawk.gem posts that outed him but that is irrelevant in this conversation because I'm not talking to them. I'm saying you got everyone to post which gave us hepas of information. Information the cult can use to fuck everyone. It doesn'tmatter what information they gave.
I also said your game wasn't great, i never said it was bad. The only use of "terrible" was reusing your "terrible" which means, I'm Snake and don't like how you play. Also I make ponies cry.

Oron · 10-24-2011, 03:55 PM

I honestly enjoyed your behavior while you were in the game, Nik. It threw so many people off because somebody (like Sif) would say, "He's totally scum," and then someone else (like RPG) would go, "Wait, what if he's the Jester?" I kept reading that and chuckling, saying to myself, "No-ooo, mafia doesn't have a Jester," and Fenris' first post clearly states that self-aligned roles win by being the last player in the game, so a Jester couldn't be self-aligned.

Nikose Tyris · 10-24-2011, 03:56 PM

@Snake: You played excellently, but I had you pegged as a scum role since day 1. And you weren't scum. Fillibustering [fuckin lol] draws attention to yourself, and mafia is more about finding that perfect mix of 'remaining active and participating' and "don't look at me don't look at me DON'T LOOK AT ME", regardless of character role.

You post in a different color, came into the game with a theme [albeit a very Town-esque theme] and posted super long messages.

It's one of those "He's RIGHT THERE let's just get him" factors. Going after the biggest target, if you will.

10-24-2011, 03:43 PM	#1511
Professor Smarmiarty Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: K-space Posts: 9,758	The Vig would have been culted N1, the mafia n2 and the bodyguard died n2 if the cult didn't die. We had town power in our sights and mafia in our sights. It was only cause we all died n1 that that didn't happen. And just cause us culties fucked up hard doesn't mean your strategy worked. If the cult hadn't fucked up the thing that didn't happen would have happened. That was exactly what the cult was going to do. I have given constructive critism. I'm saying drilling up massive amounts of posts on day 1 is incredibly risky because it unleashes lots of information. While this is helpful for the town lyches it is also helpful for the scum and depending upon the distribution of roles it can be more helpful to scum than to town. That really depends on how many scum power roles are floating around whether this is good on not. It's not a difficult thing I'm saying here but you missi t eveyr time. I never advocated d1 "joke votes" and I never have. You just like to strawman them as joke votes. But I don't need to have this argument anymore. It's a fun game. You making it not fun. So I'mgoing to focus on kicking ponies. Vote:No Lynch Last edited by Professor Smarmiarty; 10-24-2011 at 03:46 PM.

10-24-2011, 03:55 PM	#1518
Professor Smarmiarty Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: K-space Posts: 9,758	I've told you how you outed the vig. It wasn't in one of your posts. Lrn to read. FFS. Like I could go through and find the exact hawk.gem posts that outed him but that is irrelevant in this conversation because I'm not talking to them. I'm saying you got everyone to post which gave us hepas of information. Information the cult can use to fuck everyone. It doesn'tmatter what information they gave. I also said your game wasn't great, i never said it was bad. The only use of "terrible" was reusing your "terrible" which means, I'm Snake and don't like how you play. Also I make ponies cry. Last edited by Professor Smarmiarty; 10-24-2011 at 03:57 PM.

10-24-2011, 03:55 PM	#1519
Oron Curious Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 208	I honestly enjoyed your behavior while you were in the game, Nik. It threw so many people off because somebody (like Sif) would say, "He's totally scum," and then someone else (like RPG) would go, "Wait, what if he's the Jester?" I kept reading that and chuckling, saying to myself, "No-ooo, mafia doesn't have a Jester," and Fenris' first post clearly states that self-aligned roles win by being the last player in the game, so a Jester couldn't be self-aligned. __________________ Sneaking around the forums to read your posts.

10-24-2011, 03:46 PM	#1513
Professor Smarmiarty Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: K-space Posts: 9,758	After you called me out Day 1 I totally tried to give you cult hypnotism with my mind! I hope it worked.

10-24-2011, 03:47 PM	#1514
Geminex SOM3WH3R3 Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 4,606	Yo, experienced ones. How could I have improved my game? I thought I was doing okay at hiding my role, and apparently snake thought well of my townie efforts (tragically cut short), but I'd value some constructive criticism.