The Avengers

[Bells]

was going to post in the previous thread about this, but it's beyond page one so i thought would be proper to make a new one.

So, the movie is upon us... some reviews are in, all hugely positive. Seems like is nothing short of a homerun for the entire endevour!

I already got my Ticket (Debuts April 27 here!) and now i'm just waiting to see this beautiful thing!

Also, i checked online as i always do to see if there was going to be any Post-Credit stuff on this one... and it turns out it DOES have. It wasn't even shown to the Critics... so i'm going to post it here, in spoilers, and if you don't want to see it, please, keep away from it.

So, in the Post-Credits, Thanos is revealed. Quick, short and sweet scene showing him basking on Loki's defeat and turning an eye towards earth and the Avengers with his trademark grim... and that's pretty much it

[Professor Smarmiarty]

On the one hand its getting lots of good reviews and shit.
On the other hand, it was written by Joss Whedon.

[Bells]

who also worked on Cabin in the Woods, which is the first time i EVER wanted to watch a Horror movie... at all. ever.

[Magus]

Originally Posted by Professor Smarmiarty

On the one hand its getting lots of good reviews and shit.
On the other hand, it was written by Joss Whedon.

Eh, it's got a 50/50 chance of being good based on the Whedon part. That said, it actually looked more vapid plotwise than Iron Man 2. That's pretty vapid.

[mauve]

I'm skeptical because it's got four big-name heroes and two "hey we're here too" heroes who all have their own personalities and stories crammed into a 1-2 hour long film. Not much time to delve into any meaningful character development or plotline other than something along the lines of: "HEY GUYS GO BE ON A TEAM." "NO WE DO NOT WANT TO BE ON A TEAM BECAUSE THE HULK IS A TERRIBLE TEAMMATE AND ALSO IRON MAN IS KIND OF A DICK." "LOOK, I DON'T CARE, GO BE ON A TEAM." "OKAY FINE. OH LOOK VILLAINS! LET'S FIGHT STUFF." "HULK SMASH!" "OKAY COOL NOW WE ARE A REAL TEAM CUZ WE FOUGHT STUFF AND LEARNED VALUABLE LESSONS ABOUT TEAMWORK. OH, AND ALSO THIS NOT-COOL-ENOUGH-FOR-HIS-OWN-FILM ARCHER DUDE AND THE OBLIGATORY HOT CHICK ARE HERE." THE END


On the other hand, I'm excited because Robert Downey Jr.'s Iron Man is the greatest thing (even though the sequel's plot was pretty terrible, I still liked the character) and I look forward to Iron Man being a jerk to everyone else.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

I don't really get the "how will they give personality and character to all the leads" arguement that people keep making, since A) we've already had several movies establishing most of them anyway, and B) there aren't that many characters to worry about really. There's essentially 6 (7 if you include Nick Fury, which I do) and Loki as the villain, all of which have already had screen time in previous movies (except Hawkeye really) and which is still about the average number of protagonists for your average action movie, and they'll all get a lot more screen time than a lot of other major characters from most other action movies.

So that arguement just doesn't work.

And besides which, individual character developments are for individual story arcs in each of their respective movies, Avengers is about them all getting together, shit blowing up and the heroes kicking the crap out of aliens (and probably each other).

[RickZarber]

Also, it's like two and a half hours long! (With a reported 30mins of deleted scenes that'll eventually see home video release...) So I wouldn't worry about lack of character development moments.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Isn't being 2 and 1/2 hours long a bad thing? Like this is supposed to be an action movie- pack it out in 90 minutes- like I don't want to sit through that long of a superhero film.

[Ecks]

Pipe down smarty we all know you have the attention span of a sugarbuzzed child.

I'm excited to see this! I've been waiting very patiently, hopefully I will be able to see it tomorrow.

[Magus]

I don't really care about the character development, none of them are Batman, I'd rather they just went ahead and did a straight-up action movie. The battle in the commercials looks like it's going to be at least a half-hour, centerpiece, middle-of-the film battle, so I'm sure in the remaining two hours they can have a certain amount of character development, but my main concern was whether the plot was going to make any sense as far as having an actual impact on the players. Iron Man 2 wasn't just vapid because it was action action action, it's because the villain was not compelling, it was meandering in its plot. It wasn't "Iron Man has to stop Whiplash", it was "Iron Man has to stop Whiplash, then he has to deal with a bunch of side issues involving blood poisoning, drunkenness, romance, friendship/rivalry, the military-industrial complex,blah blah blah, then Iron Man has to stop Whiplash's droids. Let's take for example The Dark Knight, the villain is what moves the action along. The Joker was at the center of everything, and was a compelling villain who you wanted to be stopped, and he was literally involved in every damn thing. Loki on the other hand...am I really supposed to care if Thor beats him down? Hell, Thor should have just let him rule Asgard since he's way better suited for it, then he wouldn't be trying to invade Earth. All the heroes are kind of boring, is what I'm saying. They might as well just focus on making the plot a series of action events which makes sense and builds up properly. Otherwise you're just going to have a meandering film that does everything poorly instead of one thing in an amazing way.