Boycott Atlus

Kim · 07-01-2012, 09:55 PM

I've decided that Atlus needs boycotting, on account of the transphobia and sexism rampant in their games.

As such, I've started a Tumblr for just that.

Boycott Atlus

Sexist Code of Princess email

Sexist Code of Princess character design

Needlessly revealing Persona 4 Golden outfit

Transphobia in Persona 3

And the call to boycott Atlus itself.

POS Industries · 07-01-2012, 10:00 PM

Done and done.

Dracorion · 07-01-2012, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Liz

Sexist Code of Princess character design

The second picture in this link strikes me as a little weird. The cloth thing she's wearing covers her waist on the left side in the cover picture, but in the second picture it's pulled down below her waist.

Also, in the first picture, if you look closely behind the title, you can barely see that her breastplate bra... thing, almost touches the necklace, yet in the second picture they are quite far apart. While the second picture is vertically stretched compared to the first one, it's not enough to make that difference.

And that's the extent of my pointless nitpicking. I entirely support your cause.

rpgdemon · 07-01-2012, 10:18 PM

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to the heterosexual male gaze.

That. Right there. You need to stop doing that. It's pandering to assholes, not heterosexual males.

The pandering is to assholes, and it should be stated as such. It's about advertising to assholes. Assholes are the ones on whom it will work, and as such, assholes are the people they're pandering to there. The fact that those assholes are male and heterosexual is just distracting from the issue that they're assholes. As it is right now, you're focusing the problem is heterosexual males, where the problem is assholes. It doesn't matter what race gender ethnicity sexuality or religion the assholes are, because the problem is assholishness, not any of those details.

Edit: Like, as a heterosexual male, those pictures are offputting. I'd imagine I'm not the minority here. I was going to pass the blog along to a friend of mine who would be interested, but you're focused on the wrong things right now.

Ryong · 07-01-2012, 10:20 PM

I was going to say "hey now, Atlus ain't that bad" and then I saw the Code of Princess cover and.

uh.

okaaaaaaay...

I never did hear much about Catherine, so I can't comment on that... I'd say Persona 3's whole beach trip makes complete sense for Junpei's character, but the trans lady...I wouldn't say the behavior is purely transphobia, think there's also supposed to be some crappy attempt at squick having the older woman be very open with her advances - being Japan, with the whole social stigma with men expecting women to be submissive and the "can't get married by 25, won't get married ever" thing...

But that's how I interpreted it.

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Originally Posted by rpgdemon

That. Right there. You need to stop doing that. It's pandering to assholes, not heterosexual males.

The pandering is to assholes, and it should be stated as such. It's about advertising to assholes. Assholes are the ones on whom it will work, and as such, assholes are the people they're pandering to there. The fact that those assholes are male and heterosexual is just distracting from the issue that they're assholes. As it is right now, you're focusing the problem is heterosexual males, where the problem is assholes. It doesn't matter what race gender ethnicity sexuality or religion the assholes are, because the problem is assholishness, not any of those details.

Edit: Like, as a heterosexual male, those pictures are offputting. I'd imagine I'm not the minority here. I was going to pass the blog along to a friend of mine who would be interested, but you're focused on the wrong things right now.

Agreed. You've seen how there were numerous complaints about booth babes at E3, no? A lot of these were made by heterosexual males.

Edit: And yeah, there's something weird with that Code of Princess picture...

rpgdemon · 07-01-2012, 10:25 PM

Like, to clarify my point, right now you're pushing this issue of advertising at the "heterosexual male gaze". This gives the wrong idea that if they had a 50/50 split of covers showing males and females equally posed like that, everything would be great. The problem as I see it isn't who they're advertising to, but what they're advertising, and you're not really addressing that, and even distract from it with your phrasing.

rpgdemon · 07-01-2012, 10:28 PM

To be double clear, this isn't, "BAWW YOU'RE BEING REVERSE <type>IST!", whatever that even means, but instead, "You're focusing on the wrong issue, and it's detrimental to the point you're making."

Kim · 07-01-2012, 10:34 PM

Those posts are terrible, RPG.

Please stop making terrible posts just because you're uncomfortable that the heterosexual male gaze is an actual thing and what is being targeted and pandered to with sexist marketing.

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I'd say Persona 3's whole beach trip makes complete sense for Junpei's character, but the trans lady...I wouldn't say the behavior is purely transphobia, think there's also supposed to be some crappy attempt at squick having the older woman be very open with her advances - being Japan, with the whole social stigma with men expecting women to be submissive and the "can't get married by 25, won't get married ever" thing...

This is completely incorrect as the party as a whole not just Junpei, were only driven away once they knew the older woman was a trans woman.

Kim · 07-01-2012, 10:42 PM

Like, seriously, before you complain about me saying "heterosexual male gaze" please actually look up male gaze and realize that it is an actual thing and I'm not just pulling words from the ether like some sort of magician.

Ryong · 07-01-2012, 10:43 PM

If "heterosexual males" automatically translates to "assholes" then I don't see how it's any more oppressive of them to go "transsexuals" = "sexual predators".

But I guess I'm being an asshole by pointing this out?

And, again:

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Originally Posted by Ryong

You've seen how there were numerous complaints about booth babes at E3, no? A lot of these were made by heterosexual males.

The whole male gaze thing isn't an universal concept that is agreed as a good thing forever. I may have blown your mind.

07-01-2012, 09:55 PM	#1
Kim adorable Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 12,950	Boycott Atlus I've decided that Atlus needs boycotting, on account of the transphobia and sexism rampant in their games. As such, I've started a Tumblr for just that. Boycott Atlus Sexist Code of Princess email Sexist Code of Princess character design Needlessly revealing Persona 4 Golden outfit Transphobia in Persona 3 And the call to boycott Atlus itself. __________________ this post is about how to successfully H the Kimmy

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07-01-2012, 10:25 PM	#6
rpgdemon Not a Taco Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,313	Like, to clarify my point, right now you're pushing this issue of advertising at the "heterosexual male gaze". This gives the wrong idea that if they had a 50/50 split of covers showing males and females equally posed like that, everything would be great. The problem as I see it isn't who they're advertising to, but what they're advertising, and you're not really addressing that, and even distract from it with your phrasing. __________________ I did a lot of posting on here as a teenager, and I was pretty awful. Even after I learned, grew up, and came to be on the right side of a lot of important issues, I was still angry, abrasive, and generally increased the amount of hate in the world, in pretty unacceptable ways. On the off chance that someone is taking a trip down memory lane looking through those old threads, I wanted to devote my signature to say directly to you, I'm sorry. Thank you for letting me be better, NPF.

07-01-2012, 10:28 PM	#7
rpgdemon Not a Taco Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,313	To be double clear, this isn't, "BAWW YOU'RE BEING REVERSE <type>IST!", whatever that even means, but instead, "You're focusing on the wrong issue, and it's detrimental to the point you're making." __________________ I did a lot of posting on here as a teenager, and I was pretty awful. Even after I learned, grew up, and came to be on the right side of a lot of important issues, I was still angry, abrasive, and generally increased the amount of hate in the world, in pretty unacceptable ways. On the off chance that someone is taking a trip down memory lane looking through those old threads, I wanted to devote my signature to say directly to you, I'm sorry. Thank you for letting me be better, NPF.

07-01-2012, 10:42 PM	#9
Kim adorable Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 12,950	Like, seriously, before you complain about me saying "heterosexual male gaze" please actually look up male gaze and realize that it is an actual thing and I'm not just pulling words from the ether like some sort of magician. __________________ this post is about how to successfully H the Kimmy