Where did you get the milk? (The Doctor Who thread-spoilers all up in your ass)

[Professor Smarmiarty]

So the D. Mister Who is back. What we are getting this year is supposed to be lots of little moviestyled things with less of the complex nonsense of past.
And so what we get is Daleks with the aim of stormtroopers.
Where was this mofo? He not need to aim. Rory would be like "You want an egg?" and he would be like "Time to scramble yo eggs" and then he would be dead.
And like next week is Dinosaurs! on! Spaceshps! This kind of plotting can work but Moffat has already wasted "Let's punch Hitler" so I not sure he can handle this shit.
The Amy/Rory split was pretty stupid, the reunion scene was ok even if manipulative.
Also the new companion is now a dead Dalek? Shewas pretty ace but where is this story going. Doesnt seem like the river life in reverse story. Will she be in every episode in a different form each time? I guess yes.
Also now that we know the ultimate question we already have the Dafecks asking is- if every episode ends with someone asking this question I am literallly going to shank some moffat.

Also why did the Daleks have a prison planet. Like what? Why didn't they just exterminate the bad Daleks. Like this is literally how the Daleks operate. What was the point of souffledalek- why did they keep her alive , with acces s to all their systems and the whole planet- what the shit was the point of that.
And so Daleks on the planet can access the Dalek hivemind and rewrite it- but these are the insane Daleks- why wouldn't you just cut them off.

I am now going to take the same basic plot and improve it- ok its not on dalek prison its on Skaro. And on Skaro the Daleks captured this human genius girl and needed her for some SCARY EVIL PLOT and so they Daleked her and put her in the suit- but then she was too SPUNKY for them and started fighting back and now that she was Dalek she could hack into their arknet and hax them up. She is gaining more and more power, she has taken Skaro and now taking over the rest of the Daleks so Daleks IN SPACE capture Doctor and trick him and send him to deactivate Skaro forcefields so they can blow it up and end her rampage before she murders the Dalek.
YOU ARE WELCOLE MOFFAT

[BloodyMage]

Dear goodness I hope she isn't going to be in every episode in a different form. I'd prefer if the Doctor's companion was just the a delusional dalek girl instead.

Apparently those daleks in the asylum were too beautiful to die.

Not sure how any of the episode was meant to be less complex than the stories of past Moffat seasons.

[stefan]

Thought it was pretty good until that last scene.

[PCD]

Really didn't like the Amy and Rory breakup fake out. It felt dumb and unnecessary; I think, after all they've been through, they'd be able to at least talk about this sort of thing before trying to throw anyone out. Also, what's wrong with adoption?

The scene where Amy sees the Daleks as people was fascinating, once I realized it was how "insane" Daleks were really: beings not made purely of hate, but of creativity and kindness and welcome. And then the Doctor blew them up, way to go buddy. Still, if the Daleks kept them around because their hatred was beautiful, but they were insane because they had things in them aside from hate... why would that be worth keeping around...? Ah well. Convoluted ideas.

You guys appear to be operating on a different bout of information than I am, since I haven't heard anything about her being the new companion and various forms, so I don't think I'll be in this thread much to avoid spoilers.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Originally Posted by BloodyMage

Apparently those daleks in the asylum were too beautiful to die.

Didn't stop them just blowing them up first chance they get.

[BloodyMage]

I guess the Daleks are fans of How I met your Mother.

I'm also concerned about the fact that the Doctor just left Amy and Rory back home. Is Moffat going to come up with convoluted reasons for them to come along in every single episode?

[Xellos]

I dunno guys. I actually found this episode to be the best Dalek related thing in a long time. I mean, how many episodes have we had of unbearable Dalek plots? It's been at least five seasons since we've seen anything good. I was hoping for something at least as good as 2005's "Dalek" and I think I got my wish.

Originally Posted by Professor Smarmiarty

Also why did the Daleks have a prison planet. Like what? Why didn't they just exterminate the bad Daleks. Like this is literally how the Daleks operate. What was the point of souffledalek- why did they keep her alive , with acces s to all their systems and the whole planet- what the shit was the point of that.
And so Daleks on the planet can access the Dalek hivemind and rewrite it- but these are the insane Daleks- why wouldn't you just cut them off.

It's already been said that the Daleks kept the insane one's alive because they still admire their hatred. I'm honestly less surprised they kept insane Daleks alive, and more that they kept Daleks of other genetic codes alive. A whole Dalek civil war erupted because one type of Dalek had slightly different insides than another. That was a long time ago, granted, but the asylum was obviously still in operation then.

About allowing souffle-Dalek access to the systems, I think it should be remembered that it wasn't the actual Daleks that did that. They never even met the girl. It was the security of the planet, consisting mostly of other beings who have been melded with Daleks. The security probably had some access to the systems, so it makes some sense that they would give that to her as well. How she managed to overcome being a Dalek is anyone's guess. Either way, it's doubtful that the actual inmates were allowed such power.

Originally Posted by BloodyMage

Not sure how any of the episode was meant to be less complex than the stories of past Moffat seasons.

You think so? I think it's a whole lot better. By Doctor Who standards it's pretty clear. The sort of episode that makes sense to me when I watch it, though going back I notice some puzzles. As opposed many parts of season six which I still haven't been able to make satisfying answers to.

Originally Posted by PCD

The scene where Amy sees the Daleks as people was fascinating, once I realized it was how "insane" Daleks were really: beings not made purely of hate, but of creativity and kindness and welcome. And then the Doctor blew them up, way to go buddy. Still, if the Daleks kept them around because their hatred was beautiful, but they were insane because they had things in them aside from hate... why would that be worth keeping around...? Ah well. Convoluted ideas.

This is a rather interesting interpretation, but it's not what I got out of the scene at all. Unless you're joking. I don't want to be rude, but I'm not completely sure. I can sometimes be blind to sarcasm. I really don't think the Daleks were insane because they had love or creativity. In fact, the inmates don't really show anything except sluggishness and instability. Their hate also seemed pretty prevalent. Also, even if they did experience love, how would Amy see that? Remember their insanity isn't some virus. They were insane before being put in there. Amy is hallucinating because the tiny robots in her system are screwing with her brain. I'm pretty sure the scene was just meant to be creepy as she sees these killer Daleks as loving people. Even if the nanobots were connected to the insanity, they repeat many times that one of the first things the robots do is remove all love. Remember, that was the tipping point of Amy and Rory's conversation.

Originally Posted by Professor Smarmiarty

Didn't stop them just blowing them up first chance they get.

Well I don't know if you can really call it "the first chance they got". It's obvious this asylum has been around for hundreds of years. That's why so many types of Daleks are stuffed in there. The reason they blow the place up is that, despite their admiration of the inmates' hate, they are still afraid of them. When a breach in security happens, they fear that the Daleks may escape...mmm....somehow. So their fear overcomes their sense of beauty. I'm a bit curious, though....was souffle-girl really the first one to land on that planet to be suitable for Dalek conversion, and able to overcome their programming, and have the skills to get around security? Well, okay now that I've written it out I guess it's pretty unlikely. Woo! Go humans!

Originally Posted by BloodyMage

I'm also concerned about the fact that the Doctor just left Amy and Rory back home. Is Moffat going to come up with convoluted reasons for them to come along in every single episode?

Perhaps the Doctor just rather that the loud make-up sex happen in their own home? Practically, though, it's probably Moffat's way of getting Rory's dad into the next episode. I suppose if you wanted to make a good plot convenient excuse....Maybe the Ponds have found that interstellar travel is proving to be much more effective than couple's counseling. So they call for the Doctor and wacky times are enabled.

[rpgdemon]

I thought the episode was awesome, for what it's worth.

Edit: Minus the Rory/Amy breakup fakeup, because that honestly felt very unbelievable and more like they just wanted to go, "SEE LOOK AMY DOES CARE AS MUCH AS RORY", when Amy's "caring" is kicking him out without explaining anything or even talking to him about it because she felt like he would be happier with some random person who he could knock up, rather than the woman he spent 2000 years waiting outside a box for.

Like, after waiting 2000 years outside a box, I can't imagine Rory disliking Amy. If he had ANY sort of doubts, they'd have manifested over those 2000 years.

Also, I was confused as to why/how The Doctor didn't need his bracelet thingy?

[Xellos]

Originally Posted by rpgdemon

Edit: Minus the Rory/Amy breakup fakeup, because that honestly felt very unbelievable and more like they just wanted to go, "SEE LOOK AMY DOES CARE AS MUCH AS RORY", when Amy's "caring" is kicking him out without explaining anything or even talking to him about it because she felt like he would be happier with some random person who he could knock up, rather than the woman he spent 2000 years waiting outside a box for.

Looking at reviews around the webs, it seems that the relationship problems were the least liked part of this episode. The problem was obviously timing. This would have worked a lot better if they could have have more time to expand on it. As it is we have very little time to feel concern for their sudden predicament. It also would have worked better if it had been left as just a big fight. Amy shutting Rory out because of the kids thing? Yeah maybe I can buy that. Fucking divorce, on the other hand? Really? That brings me to the final way this could have been improved: If it had happened a long time ago. Seriously, the past couple of seasons have completely reinforced the idea that Rory and Amy are an almost impossibly perfect couple. They will literally do anything for each other, including die or wait for thousands of years in solitude. So a fight I can see, but they would need something enormously bad to result in the scenario we get at the beginning.

Originally Posted by rpgdemon

Also, I was confused as to why/how The Doctor didn't need his bracelet thingy?

I've only watched the episode once but I thought I heard it mentioned that the doctor didn't need it because he's a Time Lord. He just pretended he needed it and that he kept it so that Amy and Rory could get back together. This doesn't necessarily mean he was immune, however. He could have just been more resistant and could handle being without it for a little while.

[rpgdemon]

THAT would have been pretty cool! If The Daleks picked up a past Amy and Rory who were about to break up or something, and The Doctor was all, "Wait, what? Something's wrong."