Star War's Big Gay Planet

[Locke cole]

How are Jedi and Sith demonstrably wrong? The extent of their faith appears to be "There's an invisible force that lets us move stuff with our minds", and then they proceed to move things with their minds.

I mean, there are issues with the ideology, sure, but they're spot on about the whole having magical powers thing.

[Arcanum]

the way technology and innovation are always shown in the most positive light

Oh man you're right. That tech they put into slaves to make their head explode like Gallagher going at a watermelon if they try to run away is super positive.

[Aerozord]

Originally Posted by Locke cole

How are Jedi and Sith demonstrably wrong? The extent of their faith appears to be "There's an invisible force that lets us move stuff with our minds", and then they proceed to move things with their minds.

I mean, there are issues with the ideology, sure, but they're spot on about the whole having magical powers thing.

nearest I can figure its more religious feel in the original trilogy is because most force users are dead and the empire intentionally suppressed it. So most of the concrete proof that it exists and can be manipulated was lost. Then good old human skepticism comes into play

"I haven't seen anyone use the force. Therefor no one can use it."

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Originally Posted by Locke cole

How are Jedi and Sith demonstrably wrong? The extent of their faith appears to be "There's an invisible force that lets us move stuff with our minds", and then they proceed to move things with their minds.

I mean, there are issues with the ideology, sure, but they're spot on about the whole having magical powers thing.

Just because the volcano erupts doesn't mean there's actually a volcano god to get pissed off.

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by K-Resh

Just because the volcano erupts doesn't mean there's actually a volcano god to get pissed off.

It's a little different when the volcano actually erupts every time you ask it to, though.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

The point is that there's a difference between forces of nature and building a religious belief around those forces.

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by K-Resh

The point is that there's a difference between forces of nature and building a religious belief around those forces.

But do the Jedi or Sith really have 'religious beliefs' that inject additional lore into the Force? I always thought the movies and most of the EU was just like, "The Force is mystical energy that binds all things." If anything the Jedi and Sith generally agreed as to what the Force was but just wanted to manipulate the Force to achieve different objectives.

[Ramary]

Does not help that, at least in TOR, both religions are completely terrible.

Pick one, emontionless moral absolution, or super racist Sparta.

[Aerozord]

Originally Posted by K-Resh

The point is that there's a difference between forces of nature and building a religious belief around those forces.

you can argue that the force is a guiding will, but the skeptics in the setting say it doesn't exist at all.

Though regardless the person that created the universe has said the force is real, it is a guiding influence, it is a dichotomy of good vs evil.

This is why I always said no matter how much evidence there is of divinity you will always have atheists because look at this. You have people arguing that a fictional religion is wrong, despite the people that came up with it telling you the religion is correct. In the Star Wars universe the force, light side dark side, ect is simple fact not speculation.

[Aerozord]

Originally Posted by Ramary

Does not help that, at least in TOR, both religions are completely terrible.

Pick one, emontionless moral absolution, or super racist Sparta.

Light side was all about self sacrificing altruism. Jedi are to give up everything and serve others. Sucks for them but having super powered police ideally devoid of self interest is a nice thing to have for everyone else.