Ex-cop manhunt in LA; tragedy ensues

[Sifright]

Originally Posted by rpgdemon

You're attacking a different thing than I am saying. Rather than go through the motions, I'm just going to exit stage left, and you can realize that arguing phantom points does not make any sense, as no one is arguing against you.

Kim said that cold blooded murder, with no motive aside from the fact that the murderees are cops, would make someone more sympathetic. That is sickening.

To find someone less sympathetic because his violence isn't pointlessly directed at someone, and is instead directed at someone in anger, is a disgusting attitude. To find someone sympathetic BECAUSE they're taking lives of people who honestly are messed up is not a healthy way to look a the world.

In regards to kims point, I believe she was saying if he was only directing his violence against those he was aggrieved with she would have more sympathy for him, not that murdering cops makes you sympathetic.

That said, fuck the police.

[Jagos]

New story up top. Finishing the second story this afternoon...

[Kim]

Originally Posted by Sifright

In regards to kims point, I believe she was saying if he was only directing his violence against those he was aggrieved with she would have more sympathy for him, not that murdering cops makes you sympathetic.

That said, fuck the police.

The institution of police is super fucked up. This and other stories make this fact readily apparent. I despise police.

I do not like killing. I do not like the taking of lives. However, violence directed at evil institutions of oppression for being what they are is something I can sympathize with.

As it is, he's just a murderer, and I'm much less sympathetic to his actions than I would be if he was just enacting violence against the police.

EDIT: Like, cops murder and hurt innocent people all the time. Even when the people aren't "innocent", they get away with using excessive force that they really shouldn't. They're also responsible for a lot of awful treatment of people and racism and just general shittiness. Even the "good ones" are complicit in this for not doing anything to try and stop it. I don't like murder, but I can sympathize with someone killing murderers, abusers, and their accomplices.

[Sifright]

Originally Posted by Kim

The institution of police is super fucked up. This and other stories make this fact readily apparent. I despise police.

I do not like killing. I do not like the taking of lives. However, violence directed at evil institutions of oppression for being what they are is something I can sympathize with.

As it is, he's just a murderer, and I'm much less sympathetic to his actions than I would be if he was just enacting violence against the police.

EDIT: Like, cops murder and hurt innocent people all the time. Even when the people aren't "innocent", they get away with using excessive force that they really shouldn't. They're also responsible for a lot of awful treatment of people and racism and just general shittiness. Even the "good ones" are complicit in this for not doing anything to try and stop it. I don't like murder, but I can sympathize with someone killing murderers, abusers, and their accomplices.

Yea, pretty much.

I'm conditioned to hate violence, resorting to it makes me feel awful.

That said the system is fucked up enough that with out using violence we haven't the power to enact change now.

Edit: In this case, it's pretty clear the guy has been understandably driven off the deep end, and that he has lost perspective on what he himself is going to be doing.

You only have to look how LAPD are responding though to see the man has a point.

They are shooting up people and vehicles with out even making sure they have anything to do with the guy.

YOU DONT SHOOT PEOPLE UNLESS THEY ARE SHOOTING YOU FIRST.

Fucking police break their own damn rules and operating procedure shoot people and get a paid fucking holiday.

Whistle blowers get fired. talk about justice.

[stefan]

Originally Posted by rpgdemon

How can anyone be sympathetic to ANYONE who's taking lives? That's seriously sickening.

It's the LAPD. The literal actual Nazis are a more sympathetic organization than the LAPD, because the LAPD is a volunteer force and the Nazi party was not.

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by stefan

It's the LAPD. The literal actual Nazis are a more sympathetic organization than the LAPD, because the LAPD is a volunteer force and the Nazi party was not.

Godwin's Law!
But, man, I find this opinion stupid and I don't even care much for cops. Let's not get all hyperbolic and exaggerate law enforcement officers into a political party that encouraged the intentional commission of genocide, shall we?

That being said that are a lot of specific details about this particular ex-cop's story that strike me as very suspicious. He apparently attempted to whistleblow cop abuse, and lost his career because he dared speak out. IF that tidbit of information is true (a very big 'if,') I can actually comprehend why this is happening. Sympathy would be a bit of a strong word, but empathy would fit just fine.

[stefan]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

Godwin's Law!
But, man, I find this opinion stupid and I don't even care much for cops. Let's not get all hyperbolic and exaggerate law enforcement officers into a political party that encouraged the intentional commission of genocide, shall we?

Dude. It's the LAPD. They would literally firebomb slums if they could get away with it. Their entire actions throughout their history in the last 40 years has doen nothing to prove that they wouldn't try to pull genocide in the name of Law if they could get away with it.

[Sifright]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

Godwin's Law!
But, man, I find this opinion stupid and I don't even care much for cops. Let's not get all hyperbolic and exaggerate law enforcement officers into a political party that encouraged the intentional commission of genocide, shall we?

That being said that are a lot of specific details about this particular ex-cop's story that strike me as very suspicious. He apparently attempted to whistleblow cop abuse, and lost his career because he dared speak out. IF that tidbit of information is true (a very big 'if,') I can actually comprehend why this is happening. Sympathy would be a bit of a strong word, but empathy would fit just fine.

No sympathy wouldn't be a strong word. His plight makes me sympathetic. That he has taken actions I don't condone doesn't change the fact that what BROKE him is some horrible shit to go through.


His story is hardly suspicious at all, this kind of shit happens constantly (The police lie and cover shit up like excessive force all the time)

Hell the police openly murder people and the cops involved get paid holidays.

You will forgive me if I find it hard to give a shit about the cops on his list getting killed.

The LAPD were the ones responsible for the Rodney King incident. that was barely more than 20 years ago.

Forgive me for not thinking much has fucking changed in that time.

Edit: Like fuck me snake, the LAPD are fucking brutal mother fuckers.

[Jagos]

Solid, FDR used Godwin's law.

He got four terms because he talked about their abuses (and because the Socialists and Communists were planning a revolution if he went in that direction)

Just saying, it's a good way to shut down debate but it's not historically accurate.

[rpgdemon]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

Godwin's Law!
But, man, I find this opinion stupid and I don't even care much for cops. Let's not get all hyperbolic and exaggerate law enforcement officers into a political party that encouraged the intentional commission of genocide, shall we?

That being said that are a lot of specific details about this particular ex-cop's story that strike me as very suspicious. He apparently attempted to whistleblow cop abuse, and lost his career because he dared speak out. IF that tidbit of information is true (a very big 'if,') I can actually comprehend why this is happening. Sympathy would be a bit of a strong word, but empathy would fit just fine.

To be fair, there is this, which is illegal, but still prominent enough to have a wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Code_of_Silence

That said, I still cannot be sympathetic to someone who is murdering others. Every murderer has some sort of a reason, but murder is not how you handle the problem.