Looking for a decent 2014 Pc - Page 4

Bells · 11-19-2013, 12:07 PM

From what i verified between the GTX 760 vs GTX 780 it's a difference of about 30% in performance at a much higher price point. So i figured it would be more prudent to get a 760 now and instead of SLI, simply change it to something better down the line. I expect the i5 4670 to hold in place just fine for that transition down the line...

As for PSU... i was indeed looking into something between 600w and 750w if the price difference is not too great. Seasonic brand got a LOT of recomendations on that range, i figured the money i save on holding back a bit on the video card would allow me to get a better PSU that will protect the entire system better, so that seems like a good tradeoff.

Now, for SSD's... i know they make Pc's boot insane fast and software to slignshot open in seconds. But since most of my data will be on my other 2 1tb regular sata drives, is it really worth it beside the faster booting up times?

Azisien · 11-19-2013, 01:50 PM

Not sure what answer you want. Yes? I got my first SSD in 2009 and unless I can't help it, I will never downgrade. It's not just boot time, really anything OS-related will be that much faster. Plus anything you install on it. Windows 7 and Windows 8 are both pretty lean, so you could even do a 40 or 60GB SSD on the cheap. But I just suggested 120GB because then you could slap some of your common applications on there too and enjoy the lightning.

Your processor will be fine for years and years. I still have the i7-920 Bloomfield and it hasn't really reached a performance ceiling yet with any of the things I currently do (game, program, A/V edit, surf).

You can also overclock your GTX760 within fairly safe zones and make up for some of that 30% performance boost you'll be missing from a card that costs hundreds of dollars more.

Bells · 11-19-2013, 02:01 PM

Well, i ask mostly because this PC will be seeing constant video editing and gameplay recording and screen recording. I know these are things that more ram could benefit. Maybe even to the point to justify going over 8GB out of the gate...

So, i can allocate the money of an SSD into more RAM. But if the SSD benefit those aspects too AND improves my OS and software access speed, than maybe that's worth more than RAM right now.

For context i think it's worth mentioning that Here an basic Kingston 60GB SSD Sata 3 disk will cost around $380 which is the same average price of a 2x4GB G Skill Sniper Ram kit.

Azisien · 11-19-2013, 02:09 PM

Yeah never mind those prices are crazy, I'd just double your RAM instead. If you did 2x8GB sticks then you could double it in the future if you wanted by buying the exact same brand (presumably G.Skill)

I bought two 60GB SSDs in 2009, when they were really new to consumers, and they were only $330 each. "Only." The SSD I mentioned above (I like OCZ, when my first SSD crapped out, they express shipped me their latest model at no charge) is only $120 here.

EDIT:

Actually constant read/writes to the SSD is something you want to avoid, not encourage. One thing I'm not sure of, though, is having the recording software on your storage drives and plopping the uncompressed video onto the storage drive, but then having the game it's recording on an SSD with the OS. Might be a workaround? I might test that in the future myself, though my ancient SSDs are full now.

EDIT2: Actually SSD longevity has improved a lot, so I guess in a best case scenario (money --> ?), just record on a bunch of SSDs. But yeah, you'd be paying way too much. If I'm ever a tourist in your area, I'll bring you a couple. :P

Bells · 11-19-2013, 09:53 PM

i plan on going to Disney next year for work vacations, and you know what? I'll bring a god damn SSD on my pants pocket cause there is a $500 import limit and i'm sure as hell i'll bring a PS4 with me... with no box or manuals, just inside my bag... and then i'll say i'm a douchebag who travels with his PS4 so i can play on Hotel rooms while on the road so customs can't charge me 80% of it's value in taxes... because god damn if i'm going to pay $3999 for a PS4 after spilling blood for this new pc =P

phil_ · 11-20-2013, 12:01 AM

I'm not sure how helpful this is, but since you were looking at Corsair PSU (and I'm assuming they don't make physics processing units yet and we're talking about power supplies) I bought a Corsair TX650 power supply (which is 650 watts) for the crappy PC I built this summer and it's pretty much silent. Checking right this second, though, the TX750 (750 watts, naturally) is only $5 more, but I can't vouch for its noise and I don't know how much it'll cost you.

I'll be over here kicking myself for yet another component I didn't get the best deal on...

Azisien · 11-20-2013, 01:43 PM

Likewise, make sure you get your RAM kit at the highest possible speed/latency/timing in the class of RAM you go for. The motherboard you picked out can take RAM up to 3000. The RAM you picked doesn't get that fast, but I think in your class of G.Skill, for like $4 more (where I am) you can get the 1866 sticks over the 1600 variety.

Bells · 11-20-2013, 02:02 PM

Does it really matter?! I was going for a 2133mhz G Skill sniper kit, but i heard tech tips about how unless you are running a server, you can't notice the difference between 1600mhz and 2133mhz on your ram

Azisien · 11-20-2013, 08:02 PM

http://lifehacker.com/when-ram-speed...mes-1436679680

Apparently no, it doesn't really matter at all. Capacity still matters, but only up to what you need for your applications! The more you know!

Bells · 11-24-2013, 03:04 PM

And it's done.

That was actually hard. But i think i got it right.

MOBO: Z87 G45 Gaming MSI
CPU: Intel i5 4670k
RAM: Corsair Vengeance 8gb (2x4gb) 1600mhz
Cooler: Noctua NH-U14S
PSU: Seasonic X Series 760W
Case: Cooler Master HAF XB
GPU: GTX 780

Extras: 1x 120mm Noctua case Fan / 2x 80mm Noctua Case fans.

For funzies today i ran the Valley Benchmark on my current pc and this is what i'm leaving behind with this new build

11-19-2013, 12:07 PM	#31
Bells That's so PC of you Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: In a Server-sided Dimension where time is meaningless Posts: 10,490	From what i verified between the GTX 760 vs GTX 780 it's a difference of about 30% in performance at a much higher price point. So i figured it would be more prudent to get a 760 now and instead of SLI, simply change it to something better down the line. I expect the i5 4670 to hold in place just fine for that transition down the line... As for PSU... i was indeed looking into something between 600w and 750w if the price difference is not too great. Seasonic brand got a LOT of recomendations on that range, i figured the money i save on holding back a bit on the video card would allow me to get a better PSU that will protect the entire system better, so that seems like a good tradeoff. Now, for SSD's... i know they make Pc's boot insane fast and software to slignshot open in seconds. But since most of my data will be on my other 2 1tb regular sata drives, is it really worth it beside the faster booting up times? __________________ *BELLS STORE : Clothes! You wear* them! Free US Shipping Subscription System? WTF?! Zazzle Black!**

11-19-2013, 02:01 PM	#33
Bells That's so PC of you Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: In a Server-sided Dimension where time is meaningless Posts: 10,490	Well, i ask mostly because this PC will be seeing constant video editing and gameplay recording and screen recording. I know these are things that more ram could benefit. Maybe even to the point to justify going over 8GB out of the gate... So, i can allocate the money of an SSD into more RAM. But if the SSD benefit those aspects too AND improves my OS and software access speed, than maybe that's worth more than RAM right now. For context i think it's worth mentioning that Here an basic Kingston 60GB SSD Sata 3 disk will cost around $380 which is the same average price of a 2x4GB G Skill Sniper Ram kit. __________________ *BELLS STORE : Clothes! You wear* them! Free US Shipping Subscription System? WTF?! Zazzle Black!** Last edited by Bells; 11-19-2013 at 02:05 PM.

11-19-2013, 02:09 PM	#34
Azisien wat Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,177	Yeah never mind those prices are crazy, I'd just double your RAM instead. If you did 2x8GB sticks then you could double it in the future if you wanted by buying the exact same brand (presumably G.Skill) I bought two 60GB SSDs in 2009, when they were really new to consumers, and they were only $330 each. "Only." The SSD I mentioned above (I like OCZ, when my first SSD crapped out, they express shipped me their latest model at no charge) is only $120 here. EDIT: Actually constant read/writes to the SSD is something you want to avoid, not encourage. One thing I'm not sure of, though, is having the recording software on your storage drives and plopping the uncompressed video onto the storage drive, but then having the game it's recording on an SSD with the OS. Might be a workaround? I might test that in the future myself, though my ancient SSDs are full now. EDIT2: Actually SSD longevity has improved a lot, so I guess in a best case scenario (money --> ?), just record on a bunch of SSDs. But yeah, you'd be paying way too much. If I'm ever a tourist in your area, I'll bring you a couple. :P Last edited by Azisien; 11-19-2013 at 02:28 PM.

11-19-2013, 09:53 PM	#35
Bells That's so PC of you Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: In a Server-sided Dimension where time is meaningless Posts: 10,490	i plan on going to Disney next year for work vacations, and you know what? I'll bring a god damn SSD on my pants pocket cause there is a $500 import limit and i'm sure as hell i'll bring a PS4 with me... with no box or manuals, just inside my bag... and then i'll say i'm a douchebag who travels with his PS4 so i can play on Hotel rooms while on the road so customs can't charge me 80% of it's value in taxes... because god damn if i'm going to pay $3999 for a PS4 after spilling blood for this new pc =P __________________ *BELLS STORE : Clothes! You wear* them! Free US Shipping Subscription System? WTF?! Zazzle Black!**

11-20-2013, 12:01 AM	#36
phil_ Just sleeping Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: At home, probably in bed. Posts: 6,482	I'm not sure how helpful this is, but since you were looking at Corsair PSU (and I'm assuming they don't make physics processing units yet and we're talking about power supplies) I bought a Corsair TX650 power supply (which is 650 watts) for the crappy PC I built this summer and it's pretty much silent. Checking right this second, though, the TX750 (750 watts, naturally) is only $5 more, but I can't vouch for its noise and I don't know how much it'll cost you. I'll be over here kicking myself for yet another component I didn't get the best deal on... __________________ Be T-Rexcellent to each other, tako.

11-19-2013, 01:50 PM	#32
Azisien wat Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,177	Not sure what answer you want. Yes? I got my first SSD in 2009 and unless I can't help it, I will never downgrade. It's not just boot time, really anything OS-related will be that much faster. Plus anything you install on it. Windows 7 and Windows 8 are both pretty lean, so you could even do a 40 or 60GB SSD on the cheap. But I just suggested 120GB because then you could slap some of your common applications on there too and enjoy the lightning. Your processor will be fine for years and years. I still have the i7-920 Bloomfield and it hasn't really reached a performance ceiling yet with any of the things I currently do (game, program, A/V edit, surf). You can also overclock your GTX760 within fairly safe zones and make up for some of that 30% performance boost you'll be missing from a card that costs hundreds of dollars more.

11-20-2013, 01:43 PM	#37
Azisien wat Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,177	Likewise, make sure you get your RAM kit at the highest possible speed/latency/timing in the class of RAM you go for. The motherboard you picked out can take RAM up to 3000. The RAM you picked doesn't get that fast, but I think in your class of G.Skill, for like $4 more (where I am) you can get the 1866 sticks over the 1600 variety.

11-20-2013, 02:02 PM	#38
Bells That's so PC of you Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: In a Server-sided Dimension where time is meaningless Posts: 10,490	Does it really matter?! I was going for a 2133mhz G Skill sniper kit, but i heard tech tips about how unless you are running a server, you can't notice the difference between 1600mhz and 2133mhz on your ram __________________ *BELLS STORE : Clothes! You wear* them! Free US Shipping Subscription System? WTF?! Zazzle Black!**

11-20-2013, 08:02 PM	#39
Azisien wat Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,177	http://lifehacker.com/when-ram-speed...mes-1436679680 Apparently no, it doesn't really matter at all. Capacity still matters, but only up to what you need for your applications! The more you know!

11-24-2013, 03:04 PM	#40
Bells That's so PC of you Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: In a Server-sided Dimension where time is meaningless Posts: 10,490	And it's done. That was actually hard. But i think i got it right. MOBO: Z87 G45 Gaming MSI CPU: Intel i5 4670k RAM: Corsair Vengeance 8gb (2x4gb) 1600mhz Cooler: Noctua NH-U14S PSU: Seasonic X Series 760W Case: Cooler Master HAF XB GPU: GTX 780 Extras: 1x 120mm Noctua case Fan / 2x 80mm Noctua Case fans. For funzies today i ran the Valley Benchmark on my current pc and this is what i'm leaving behind with this new build __________________ *BELLS STORE : Clothes! You wear* them! Free US Shipping Subscription System? WTF?! Zazzle Black!**