The Displaced Time-Clone of Iceman is Gay?

[Shyria Dracnoir]

Originally Posted by MSperoni

is anyone aside from Superman a "good" character anymore?

You mean the guy who always goes nuts and takes over the world so Batman can kick his ass?

[Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope]

Originally Posted by Shyria Dracnoir

You mean the guy who always goes nuts and takes over the world so Batman can kick his ass?

Superman is a god mode gary stu who should have been put out to pasture long ago

[POS Industries]

Originally Posted by DaimoMusic

If there's chafing might I suggest some sort of water based lube?

I think I'd mostly prefer if people quit doing it.

[Doc ock rokc]

Originally Posted by POS Industries

Man, people talking about "token" characters rubs me the wrong way something fierce.

I can see why you can get angry about it but look at this

In an email statement, All-New X-Men writer Brian Michael Bendis told The Huffington Post that Iceman's storyline will continue to evolve in future books, and that the decision to make the character a gay man was in keeping with contemporary social dialogue around lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) issues.

This is by the very definition of a token character.

Its literally a publisher making a writer insert a gay character in for brownie points.

I understand trying to reach that audience but you have a literal slew of characters who can do this. And if you still want to stomp on canon like its one fire there are subtler ways to do this. There are better ways that push the writing and artistic limits that will make people want you to do this.

instead they do it "subtly"

Because who really cares?

I do, I want comics to grow and get better. I want writing to improve and mature as to tackle these issues with dignity, but this is just sloppy. Its like a fire in a Fireworks factory subtle. Its like killing someone in the middle of a lake with a freight train sloppy. Its just pandering to the "Diversity" crowd that has been breathing down their necks since the Spider-woman cover.

I mean comics FINALLY gets out of the shadow of the Comics Code Authority. We were supposed to have a full range of comics for anything on anything... and now it seems writers and artiest can't do anything at all without an even worse crowd leaping on them.

[Grandmaster_Skweeb]

Ohhh Marvel, it's become more entertaining reading about the shit that goes down because of the comics than the actual comics themselves.

Tabloids level absurdity, I tells ya!

[MSperoni]

This doesn't "stomp on canon" because non-616 Bobby isn't canon...sorta. It's 616 Bobby but not 616 Bobby at the same time.

It's X-men. Stop worrying about it. I tend to read these while drunk.

What I meant by "who really cares" is who cares if a character is gay or not? It's not really an issue anymore. It doesn't really need "Subtlety". They could've just established he was gay from the getgo and no one would've given a shit aside from homophobes whose opinions don't matter anyway.

It's hard to talk about this "pandering to the diversity crowd" when there are already established gay/bi characters...Iceman isn't even the most high-profile one anyway, I think Psylocke is probably more popular than he is, but I guess that's open to debate.

We also do have a full range of comics on anything about anything. There's more out there than The Big Two, ya know.

And I highly doubt the Comics Code would've allowed a gay character or 90% of the things that go on in comics these days.

Seriously I dunno why people are bothered by what amounts to Just Another Twist in the Marvelverse. He's gay. Deal with it.

Some folks are just too sensitive I guess

(X-Force is the best X-comic anyway.)

---------- Post added at 11:58 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:39 PM ----------

Like boo-fuckin'-hoo your funnybook isn't exactly like you want it. Go buy a different one.

[POS Industries]

Originally Posted by Doc ock rokc

Its just pandering to the "Diversity" crowd

[Aerozord]

It just seems pointless to me. The general rule of fiddling with the status quo is "can you tell more/better stories with this change?" The answer is, no. Its not less so thats a plus, but he's already a mutant in a world where people are trying to organize internment camps for mutants. So you cant play up the issues of being demonized by society that doesn't understand you because he already has that. I guess if they have some homosexual relationship in mind but thats just trading one option for another.

I do hope its treated as, just a thing. Because I see no reason for anyone in universe to really care.

[MSperoni]

Ehh I had something I wanted to add but I wasn't sure how to put it and it sorta was off-topic and I got bored so nevermind.

Summation:

1. I'm not keen on the first issue of the comic Silk or Sensational Wonder Woman 7 for the same reasons.

2. Stories that give people something to talk about are good.

[Doc ock rokc]

Originally Posted by MSperoni

Like boo-fuckin'-hoo your funnybook isn't exactly like you want it. Go buy a different one.

Why the hell should I move? I read the comics, I enjoy the stories, I have been here longer. Why the hell do I need to give it up?

The good capt'n sums up my idea on that

Why do I have to suffer through the shitshow pandering writing? I mean as you pointed out there is a dozen different characters that have established histories. Good writing to back them up. A chemistry that is already there that hasn't been tapped to its greatest ability.

So why does this need to happen?

The only reason i can think of is that they are shooting for Iceman being gay is because of brand recognition. Iceman has been in the movies so it will be a splash to make him gay. and make him gay before the founding of the original xmen so that he was secretly gay all along. Its almost as bad as "Donald Blake was always thor all along" Or that entire Sentry thing that went nowhere fast. However at least both of those had a bit of buildup to them.

This is literally a copy paste page with writing that is level with fanfiction. It has all the grace of a brick. It just comes out of left field like the big lipped alligator in all dogs go to heaven. They were going for the edge but they used a fucking plushy instead. If they wanted drama they could have drummed it up and pulled it out. If they wanted diversity they could have reached for any of the other diversity characters slowly warm him up to him then have him do it himself and slowly build himself up to a better more welcoming character. Heck they could even do a confrontation scene like this after he is hit on by someone Gray sent to him and THAT would have worked

But no its just, "No bobbys you are the gays" and then bobby was a homo