Filler? I don't even know 'er! aka the fuck-Bleach [SPOILERS] megathread! - Page 239

Arcanum · 06-16-2016, 07:18 PM

You know what did this shit a thousand times better? Jojo's Bizarre Adventure. Part 3, 5, 6, and 7 all had big bads that used time manipulating or reality altering powers that were stupidly powerful.

So this entire thing just feels like Kubo trying to imitate Jojo, and while I can't really blame him for that since countless other mangas and animes have been influenced by Jojo, I can blame him for handling it so poorly and so blatantly. It just feels like a cheap copy because he ran out of ideas.

phil_ · 06-17-2016, 12:00 AM

At least "I choose the timelines where what I want to happen happens" is easier to understand than "I skip the cause but keep the effect" in practice.

Sithdarth · 06-17-2016, 11:13 AM

I'm like really hoping Kubo has been pulling an epic troll and Orihime is the true protagonist that's going to save everyone. I mean her power was supposed to be about rejecting reality or something so honestly she's the only one that really has a chance anyway.

Aerozord · 06-20-2016, 09:11 PM

Actually Kubo himself did this better. Remember the Full Bringer arc and mister, I retroactively set up the battlefield to have traps

However, atleast this is a better "Almighty" power than just seeing the future.

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Originally Posted by Sithdarth

I'm like really hoping Kubo has been pulling an epic troll and Orihime is the true protagonist that's going to save everyone. I mean her power was supposed to be about rejecting reality or something so honestly she's the only one that really has a chance anyway.

I would love this honestly

Arcanum · 06-23-2016, 10:27 PM

Sweet mother of fuck what is this chapter? Is this the same Kubo? I feel like normally we'd get that first bit with ichigo as one full chapter, then the bit with Ishida as two chapters (one where Ishida reveals his schrift and uses it, and another that ends in whatshisface reversing it with Balance), and then a fourth chapter of Ichigo getting his ass kicked.

But instead we have this chapter that actually made me enjoy Bleach again (even if just a little).

Makes me a bit sad that next week we'll probably be back to the regular slog.

Kyanbu The Legend · 06-24-2016, 12:00 AM

Was also great to finally see that power Uryu got from Ywacht. And it's quite the ability if it hard counters His time powers.

phil_ · 06-24-2016, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Kyanbu The Legend

And it's quite the ability if it hard counters His time powers.

I'm gonna have to agree with "The Balance" on this and say naw, it's still useless. To counter an ability that is essentially, "I win," Ishida'd need to get beat up badly enough that reversing his getting beat up would make The Almighty unable to activate his power (and then stab the guy). But, that level of beat-up-itude would necessarily be a level where Ishida can't activate his power, and obviously he can't activate his trap card if he's too beat up to activate it.

Come on, bad end. Let's Narutaru this thing up.

Arcanum · 06-25-2016, 11:52 AM

Yeah if Ishida fights Yhwach then one of three things will happen.

1. A stalemate where Yhwach can't see a future where he isn't critically wounded from attacking Ishida, so he just doesn't do it.

2. He picks a future where he instagibs Ishida before he can use Antithesis (like what Phil said)

3. Ishida's schrift has some other ability/affect that lets him counteract The Almighty, like maybe swapping the timeline Yhwach picked with the one they just left behind (essentially restoring what would happen had Yhwach not picked a new timeline). And then it will become a puzzle of figuring out when Yhwach triggers a timeline jump so Ishida can reverse it before someone gets murdered.

Aerozord · 06-28-2016, 05:58 PM

Isn't this what Orihime's power was supposed to be?

Sithdarth · 06-28-2016, 09:27 PM

Yhwach can change between all the possible futures that he can see.

Ishida can change the past but only via swapping the pasts of two things.

Orihime can straight up reject the present reality and replace it with whatever the heck she wants it to be (or at least that is how I understood her power).

Technically Orihime trumps them all because the changes she can make are limited only by what she can imagine.

Also I just realized Ishida could have totally started an infinite loop between his power and the Balance. He reverses the damage the Balance reflects it back at him twice as hard. He reverses the doubled damage which the Balance reflects back at him twice as hard again. So on and so forth. If he gets lucky and is better at getting beat up than the other guy (and he totally should be) then eventually the damage gets to the point where it instantly kills the Balance dude when it's reflected back to him. At the very least it should get to be enough to incapacitate him before it incapacitates Ishida.

06-16-2016, 07:18 PM	#2381
Arcanum Strike the Earth! Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 3,185	You know what did this shit a thousand times better? Jojo's Bizarre Adventure. Part 3, 5, 6, and 7 all had big bads that used time manipulating or reality altering powers that were stupidly powerful. So this entire thing just feels like Kubo trying to imitate Jojo, and while I can't really blame him for that since countless other mangas and animes have been influenced by Jojo, I can blame him for handling it so poorly and so blatantly. It just feels like a cheap copy because he ran out of ideas. __________________ POS Almighty has spoken.

06-17-2016, 12:00 AM	#2382
phil_ Just sleeping Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: At home, probably in bed. Posts: 6,482	At least "I choose the timelines where what I want to happen happens" is easier to understand than "I skip the cause but keep the effect" in practice. __________________ Be T-Rexcellent to each other, tako.

06-23-2016, 10:27 PM	#2385
Arcanum Strike the Earth! Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 3,185	new chapter, too lazy to spoiler tag Sweet mother of fuck what is this chapter? Is this the same Kubo? I feel like normally we'd get that first bit with ichigo as one full chapter, then the bit with Ishida as two chapters (one where Ishida reveals his schrift and uses it, and another that ends in whatshisface reversing it with Balance), and then a fourth chapter of Ichigo getting his ass kicked. But instead we have this chapter that actually made me enjoy Bleach again (even if just a little). Makes me a bit sad that next week we'll probably be back to the regular slog. __________________ POS Almighty has spoken.

06-24-2016, 12:00 AM	#2386
Kyanbu The Legend Local Rookie Indie Dev Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New Jersey Posts: 5,497	Was also great to finally see that power Uryu got from Ywacht. And it's quite the ability if it hard counters His time powers. __________________

06-25-2016, 11:52 AM	#2388
Arcanum Strike the Earth! Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 3,185	Yeah if Ishida fights Yhwach then one of three things will happen. 1. A stalemate where Yhwach can't see a future where he isn't critically wounded from attacking Ishida, so he just doesn't do it. 2. He picks a future where he instagibs Ishida before he can use Antithesis (like what Phil said) 3. Ishida's schrift has some other ability/affect that lets him counteract The Almighty, like maybe swapping the timeline Yhwach picked with the one they just left behind (essentially restoring what would happen had Yhwach not picked a new timeline). And then it will become a puzzle of figuring out when Yhwach triggers a timeline jump so Ishida can reverse it before someone gets murdered. __________________ POS Almighty has spoken.

06-17-2016, 11:13 AM	#2383
Sithdarth Friendly Neighborhood Quantum Hobo Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Outside the M-brane look'n in Posts: 5,403	I'm like really hoping Kubo has been pulling an epic troll and Orihime is the true protagonist that's going to save everyone. I mean her power was supposed to be about rejecting reality or something so honestly she's the only one that really has a chance anyway.

06-28-2016, 05:58 PM	#2389
Aerozord So we are clear Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Former murder capital of the world Posts: 13,824	Isn't this what Orihime's power was supposed to be? __________________ "don't hate me for being a heterosexual white guy disparaging slacktivism, hate me for all those murders I've done."

06-28-2016, 09:27 PM	#2390
Sithdarth Friendly Neighborhood Quantum Hobo Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Outside the M-brane look'n in Posts: 5,403	Yhwach can change between all the possible futures that he can see. Ishida can change the past but only via swapping the pasts of two things. Orihime can straight up reject the present reality and replace it with whatever the heck she wants it to be (or at least that is how I understood her power). Technically Orihime trumps them all because the changes she can make are limited only by what she can imagine. Also I just realized Ishida could have totally started an infinite loop between his power and the Balance. He reverses the damage the Balance reflects it back at him twice as hard. He reverses the doubled damage which the Balance reflects back at him twice as hard again. So on and so forth. If he gets lucky and is better at getting beat up than the other guy (and he totally should be) then eventually the damage gets to the point where it instantly kills the Balance dude when it's reflected back to him. At the very least it should get to be enough to incapacitate him before it incapacitates Ishida.