GTA on 60 minutes - Page 6

h4x.m4g3 · 03-21-2005, 07:12 PM

You have to remember CrazyBen, they're younger than you. The younger people are the more easily influenced they are. We all know that video games have an effect on younger kids (I'm not sure how old your brothers and you are) say age 5-13 or so. After that developmental period video games have a much much lesser effect on people. So even if you and your brother have been playing video games for the same time length, he's younger therefore they have influenced them more.

This is why games have ratings that say what age groups should play them. Because unless you are completely unstable to begin with once your 17, video games barely influence your thinking and therefore you can handle playing games like GTA without becoming a homocidal maniac.

On a side note, is anyone else getting tired of hearing experts complain that their is no game rating equivilent to PG-13? Makes me just want to find them and scream E=G, there is no PG equivilent, T(13+)=PG-13(obviously 13+) M=R/NC 17 in their faces.

Toastburner B · 03-22-2005, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by h4x.m4g3

On a side note, is anyone else getting tired of hearing experts complain that their is no game rating equivilent to PG-13? Makes me just want to find them and scream E=G, there is no PG equivilent, T(13+)=PG-13(obviously 13+) M=R/NC 17 in their faces.

Actually, the ERSB came out with a new rating recently. The "E10+" rating.

You can read about it here.

Syka · 03-22-2005, 12:18 PM

What type of games would that be? Oh and how CrazyBen said he's the smart one we already decided that those of lesser intelligence are more influence by different forms of media.

bard master · 03-22-2005, 12:26 PM

lemme give u my scenario on this thing:

lil' jonny anykid is a nice kid. His family is kind, he has a nice house, and he goes to a nice junior school. He has an older brother who is kinda naughty ( so he thinks, but he doesnt know half of what his brother does) and hes got good grades.

He goes to school one day, and realises its nearly his last day of junior school. He works hard, and then misses the bus home, so he walks.

On his way walking, he meets his older brother outside a game store. The brother is worried that his brother has seen him, and promises to buy him a game, any game he wants.

He asks for GTA, cos the game magazines say its the greatest. He's seen pictures, and it looks fun.

His parents are away most the time, working late in the big city. So his parents don't find out hes got the game. So he gets away with it for a while, and is enjoying the game.

1 Year later...

its lil Jonnys first year at secondary school, and hes a bit unhappy about it. He's being bullied by Billy nastykid.

Billy comes from the wrong side of the tracks, and enjoys beating up kids. Nobody helps him, and nobody EVER tells teachers, kids rules.

His brother got him the next GTA, and it comes with much more interesting stuff. You can hurt people using your bare fist's new techniques, and use choking moves and other things.

His brother also enjoys fighting. Its playfighting when he does it with jonny, but jonny is getting good at the choking.

He is now getting extremely depressed, and teenagers often react to depression baddly. He starts feeling agressive tendencies, and decides to confront billy.

They fight, and jonny tries to choke billy. Billy punches him square, and poor litle jonny is hurt and crying. The kids laugh, and he goes home.

Then he notices something else in the game: Guns. What if he could just take his problems away with the pull of a trigger? What if...

The line of reality begins to blur, and his brother buys him a gun, making jonny promise that hed never hurt anyone with it.

Then, one cold morning, he goes into school, with that thing loaded. He pulls it out in the playground, and makes Billy die. With the last bullet left, he points it to his head and tastes cold lead.

The parents came back that evening to find a policeman telling them their son is dead. The tells them he didn't think he'd do it, and that jonny promised he wouldnt hurt anyone, thereby delegating the blame.

The father gets angry with the son, and hurts him. The son runs away, and the father goes to prison, since jonny was under 14 and his responsibility.

The mother blames it on the game companies for selling these things. The game company wins the court case, and the mother becomes an alchoholic and a drug addict.

Now, whos the reason for this? The older brother? The game designers? The game store? Billy? His Parents?

And whos the victim? Nobody wins from this. The game gets bad publicity, the family falls appart. We cant blame GTA all for this.

Syka · 03-22-2005, 12:32 PM

Simple word of advice to everyone: The bullet is never the answer

Viktor Von Russia · 03-22-2005, 12:39 PM

Holy depressing stories, Batman! That is perhaps the most morbid thing I've ever seen on these forums. While I can't say that your scenario is completely unrealistic, I seriously doubt that Johhny Anykid really is the everykid (as it were). What is more unbelievable to me, though, is his brother. Who the hell buys his little brother a gun? Especially when he promises "not to hurt anybody." Anyone can see through that. Again, though, in this scenario, I think the parents could have prevented this. How do the parents miss a game like GTA if they're paying attention to their kids?

shiney · 03-22-2005, 01:51 PM

That is such a ridiculous scenario that it's a wonder it's even being presented. Just friggin astounding. How about realistic argument with actual viewpoints instead of some hollywood fantasy?

Syka · 03-22-2005, 03:21 PM

Hey I know! instead of having the older brother buy jonny anykid a gun have him steal his parents, this is assuming he lives in redneckville like I do(WARNING OFF TOPIC: Is there an actual Redneckville? I'll search for it-didn't find anything except jokes). Back to the point: also the kid has to be very demented to consider using a gun. In case I didn't illustrate clear enough a couple of posts up:
THE GUN IS NEVER THE ANSWER
Thank you

WARNING OFF TOPIC:
P.S. the gun may be the answer only if it is life-or-death, you're a cop, or a soldier in a combat situation. I have no problem with self-defense; or blowing the shit out of terrorists.

bard master · 03-22-2005, 03:56 PM

yawn, its just something i thought of. My scenarios work, they just miss some vital points . I mean, i was trusted with a swiss knife at 11, and a b&b gun at 13. So whos fault is it? I dunno. But the Bullet isnt the answer.

Viktor Von Russia · 03-22-2005, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by bard master

I mean, i was trusted with a swiss knife at 11, and a b&b gun at 13.

But I'm sure your parents gave'em to you, right? And gave you a speech on how to use them properly? That's a far cry from your older brother giving it to you haphazardly. And by "b&b gun," do you mean a BB gun, or is there a real gun that goes by that name that I'm not aware of?

03-22-2005, 12:18 PM	#53
Syka Red Mage's Apprentice Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 216	What type of games would that be? Oh and how CrazyBen said he's the smart one we already decided that those of lesser intelligence are more influence by different forms of media. __________________ :rmage: Guys, can we focus? This universe isn't going to destroy itself. :rmage: My plans are always practical! It's the laws of physics that get in the way of my success. :rmage: Wait I have an idea! I have ice spells! We're saved! Me: "You can't spell Democracy without crazy" Gasp! I'm a member of GASP talk to h4x.m4g3 to sign up

03-22-2005, 12:26 PM	#54
bard master Lvl10 Mad Coffee Shaman Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 67	lemme give u my scenario on this thing: lil' jonny anykid is a nice kid. His family is kind, he has a nice house, and he goes to a nice junior school. He has an older brother who is kinda naughty ( so he thinks, but he doesnt know half of what his brother does) and hes got good grades. He goes to school one day, and realises its nearly his last day of junior school. He works hard, and then misses the bus home, so he walks. On his way walking, he meets his older brother outside a game store. The brother is worried that his brother has seen him, and promises to buy him a game, any game he wants. He asks for GTA, cos the game magazines say its the greatest. He's seen pictures, and it looks fun. His parents are away most the time, working late in the big city. So his parents don't find out hes got the game. So he gets away with it for a while, and is enjoying the game. 1 Year later... its lil Jonnys first year at secondary school, and hes a bit unhappy about it. He's being bullied by Billy nastykid. Billy comes from the wrong side of the tracks, and enjoys beating up kids. Nobody helps him, and nobody EVER tells teachers, kids rules. His brother got him the next GTA, and it comes with much more interesting stuff. You can hurt people using your bare fist's new techniques, and use choking moves and other things. His brother also enjoys fighting. Its playfighting when he does it with jonny, but jonny is getting good at the choking. He is now getting extremely depressed, and teenagers often react to depression baddly. He starts feeling agressive tendencies, and decides to confront billy. They fight, and jonny tries to choke billy. Billy punches him square, and poor litle jonny is hurt and crying. The kids laugh, and he goes home. Then he notices something else in the game: Guns. What if he could just take his problems away with the pull of a trigger? What if... The line of reality begins to blur, and his brother buys him a gun, making jonny promise that hed never hurt anyone with it. Then, one cold morning, he goes into school, with that thing loaded. He pulls it out in the playground, and makes Billy die. With the last bullet left, he points it to his head and tastes cold lead. The parents came back that evening to find a policeman telling them their son is dead. The tells them he didn't think he'd do it, and that jonny promised he wouldnt hurt anyone, thereby delegating the blame. The father gets angry with the son, and hurts him. The son runs away, and the father goes to prison, since jonny was under 14 and his responsibility. The mother blames it on the game companies for selling these things. The game company wins the court case, and the mother becomes an alchoholic and a drug addict. Now, whos the reason for this? The older brother? The game designers? The game store? Billy? His Parents? And whos the victim? Nobody wins from this. The game gets bad publicity, the family falls appart. We cant blame GTA all for this. __________________ Ive come out so many times, ive got a revolving door in my closet. And Dont you DARE say the F- word, or ill bury you here.

03-22-2005, 12:32 PM	#55
Syka Red Mage's Apprentice Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 216	Simple word of advice to everyone: The bullet is never the answer __________________ :rmage: Guys, can we focus? This universe isn't going to destroy itself. :rmage: My plans are always practical! It's the laws of physics that get in the way of my success. :rmage: Wait I have an idea! I have ice spells! We're saved! Me: "You can't spell Democracy without crazy" Gasp! I'm a member of GASP talk to h4x.m4g3 to sign up

03-22-2005, 12:39 PM	#56
Viktor Von Russia YOU'VE EATEN POO, HAVE YOU?! Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Motherland Posts: 1,131	Holy depressing stories, Batman! That is perhaps the most morbid thing I've ever seen on these forums. While I can't say that your scenario is completely unrealistic, I seriously doubt that Johhny Anykid really is the everykid (as it were). What is more unbelievable to me, though, is his brother. Who the hell buys his little brother a gun? Especially when he promises "not to hurt anybody." Anyone can see through that. Again, though, in this scenario, I think the parents could have prevented this. How do the parents miss a game like GTA if they're paying attention to their kids? __________________ Defeat Yanda. "God does not give to a cow that butts." Russian Saying Why don't people check for invisi-text?

03-22-2005, 01:51 PM	#57
shiney Derrrrrrrrrrrrrp. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The land of fartz and buttz Posts: 8,266	That is such a ridiculous scenario that it's a wonder it's even being presented. Just friggin astounding. How about realistic argument with actual viewpoints instead of some hollywood fantasy? __________________ boop

03-21-2005, 07:12 PM	#51
h4x.m4g3 Lakitu Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,152	You have to remember CrazyBen, they're younger than you. The younger people are the more easily influenced they are. We all know that video games have an effect on younger kids (I'm not sure how old your brothers and you are) say age 5-13 or so. After that developmental period video games have a much much lesser effect on people. So even if you and your brother have been playing video games for the same time length, he's younger therefore they have influenced them more. This is why games have ratings that say what age groups should play them. Because unless you are completely unstable to begin with once your 17, video games barely influence your thinking and therefore you can handle playing games like GTA without becoming a homocidal maniac. On a side note, is anyone else getting tired of hearing experts complain that their is no game rating equivilent to PG-13? Makes me just want to find them and scream E=G, there is no PG equivilent, T(13+)=PG-13(obviously 13+) M=R/NC 17 in their faces.

03-22-2005, 03:21 PM	#58
Syka Red Mage's Apprentice Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 216	Hey I know! instead of having the older brother buy jonny anykid a gun have him steal his parents, this is assuming he lives in redneckville like I do(WARNING OFF TOPIC: Is there an actual Redneckville? I'll search for it-didn't find anything except jokes). Back to the point: also the kid has to be very demented to consider using a gun. In case I didn't illustrate clear enough a couple of posts up: THE GUN IS NEVER THE ANSWER Thank you WARNING OFF TOPIC: P.S. the gun may be the answer only if it is life-or-death, you're a cop, or a soldier in a combat situation. I have no problem with self-defense; or blowing the shit out of terrorists. __________________ :rmage: Guys, can we focus? This universe isn't going to destroy itself. :rmage: My plans are always practical! It's the laws of physics that get in the way of my success. :rmage: Wait I have an idea! I have ice spells! We're saved! Me: "You can't spell Democracy without crazy" Gasp! I'm a member of GASP talk to h4x.m4g3 to sign up Last edited by Syka; 03-22-2005 at 03:30 PM.

03-22-2005, 03:56 PM	#59
bard master Lvl10 Mad Coffee Shaman Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 67	yawn, its just something i thought of. My scenarios work, they just miss some vital points . I mean, i was trusted with a swiss knife at 11, and a b&b gun at 13. So whos fault is it? I dunno. But the Bullet isnt the answer. __________________ Ive come out so many times, ive got a revolving door in my closet. And Dont you DARE say the F- word, or ill bury you here.