NPF Mafia: 8-Bit Edition

[The Wizard Who Did It]

Great, it really comes down to how smart is Psycho. I'm not the best judge of human feelings, but something seems wrong in Psycho's posts. He might be a big actor, but even a good acter would have to plan out his posts to show that he is not a mafia. It doesn't help that the earlier posts were through the night, so one can't tell whether or not he was planning or sleeping during all these events. He could completely be in the mindset of innosence, but I think we can rule that out.

To sum it up, when I said your analytical capabilities were bad, I meant what Nique meant, you are really dangerous.

Anyways. Something I'm not going to take the time to check, but somebody else might...

Some people said we were going to go all hell-fire on Psycho if he was wrong. Who said that and did they drop their suspicians of him afterwards?

Also, Psycho, explain one thing... you didn't do a 'whoops I fucked up' after the news came that Newb died. Why? Why didn't you try to convince us that you weren't mafia after your "kill Newb" campaign turned out to be baseless? You went streight to business. Why?

EDIT: Am I the only one hearing "Requiem for a Dream" music as this goes on, or is my Health Class a bitch?

[Mesden]

This is all pretty messed up. Psycho is the most mafia and most non-mafia person around. Nique has got nearly everything planned out. And I'm sitting here hoping either A.) He's guilty and I'm not the first on nick's list or B.) He's innocent and I'm the first in line to an all nuce buffet.
Well I guess I'm rolling(refer to earlier post)
Oh and for psycho read my sig. It might apply to you hear just a little.

[Raiden]

I just don't see "He's too smart for his own damn good" as an excuse to say that he's a mafia person. Hell, I could have easily said most of what he did. If I did, I probably would have gotten a lot more votes.

And I already see a group of three or four people that I know for a fact one of them will die. I'm one of them.

[Psycho Mantis]

I apologize for the double-post in advance.

Ok, responses:

Originally Posted by The Wizard Who Did It

Also, Psycho, explain one thing... you didn't do a 'whoops I fucked up' after the news came that Newb died. Why? Why didn't you try to convince us that you weren't mafia after your "kill Newb" campaign turned out to be baseless? You went streight to business. Why?

Because I didnt mess up. I, along with 9 others, went with the best information we had, and the best information we had pointed at Newb. Unfortunately he wasnt mafia, but I mean, we did the best we could.

Originally Posted by Nique

PM is smart. That makes him dangerous. Not guilty, just dangerous. The way I see it, he's playing this game backwards, in a manner of speaking, which means that he may know things that we do not.

You're putting as much brainpower into this as I am. Dont think that you're not dangerous either! Ex. You've gotten someone on the brink of a fatal mob-stabbing.

Originally Posted by Nique

I think you made a good vote Raiden, but I also think you should consider making your vote count... One vote on patrat isn't going to kill him. it just gives more time for the mafia becuase of a drawn out debate on who to lynch.

Here you are contradicting your actions on the first day where you voted against the majority and werent in a rush to lynch someone.

Why are you in such a hurry to silence me?

Originally Posted by Nique

Too true. Only the ones who POST have given us material to examine. It would be stupid of the mafia to NOT post, however, becuase that would be too obvious, and there are factors outside of the game to consider... like having internet access or not.

I posted earlier in the day a list of players who had not posted and their last log-in. All of their last log-ins were either today or yesterday.

Originally Posted by Nique

You haven't thought this through -A mafian might not do this, but most likely, a Provokan wouldn't do this either lest he be lynched erroneously. Your seem to be using reverse psychology, but if I'm right, then I'm staying one step ahead of your plot.

So you're saying that my analysis is something neither a mafia nor townsmember would do, so therefore I'm mobbed-up and you're onto my plot? I dont see the logic there.

The reason I have posted so much on this thread is two-fold:
1)I made the mistake of putting up a light-hearted roleplaying post in the beginning without grasping the seriousness of the game(this is my first time playing). So I've been trying to just stay alive since.

2)This is the most interesting internet game I've played in a long time. Right now my EVE ship is floating around in space unattended(probably being blasted by pirates as I speak) because I have that window minimized while I post here. I spend most of my 12 hour work day refreshing this forum and awaiting new responses. What can I say, its addicting.

Originally Posted by Nique

This just clinches it. You're trying too hard

How does that clinch it? Trying not to be lynched proves that I'm guilty? You didnt even touch any of my arguments! Respond to my critisms of your logic, here they are if you missed them:

Originally Posted by Me

Uh...if its reverse psychology its not working so well. I almost got lynched on Day 1 and now I've got the rope around my neck again. Your theory doesnt make any sense for three reasons:

1) There is no way a mafia could reliably continue to get innocent people hung without being hung himself very quickly. People were suspicious of me Day 1, and now the guy I accused turned out to be innocent, so now I look even more suspicious. So I'm a mafia and here I am trying to do it again? Notice that I didnt accuse a single person yesterday until my life was in danger? In fact, I was advocating that we slow down on the accusations. And I am preaching the same thing today! The fact is, that tactic would work twice, at MOST. Probably less.

2) Its a lot easier to just let people fight amongst themselves then to spend HOURS formulating arguements to kill person X and draw as much attention to yourself as possible. I have the most posts in this thread so far and have written more than anyone in an attempt to logically discover the pirate-wise-guys.

3)To vote for someone then unvote for them, you run the risk of getting mobbed on. Which happened to Newb Day 1 and is happening to me now.

If I was trying to get Raiden or Nique mob-hung then I wouldnt have called them the least suspicious earlier in the thread.

Originally Posted by Nique

We can afford to loose him either way

You dont know that I'm not the PO or bodyguard.

Originally Posted by Nique

Careful. Psycho's lynching is partially his own fault... He led everyone against NEWB, putting himself in a rather unenviable position.

I hope, however, that my role in this does not mimick his - There are alternatives and back-up plans if the psycho lynching turns out wrong.

Um, this is exactly like what happened to me. You've been put into a position where suspicions could be directed to you(You were SSB Interns vote) so you post a long analytical explaination on why we should hang person X instead and then lead them into a mob-killing. Yeah, so its pretty much the exact same thing.

Originally Posted by Nique

True. But that entire conversation could have been pre-arranged. You can't deny that it looks very suspicious that your vote for psycho mantis was suddenly turned into a vote for NEWB.

Usually the simplest answer is the right one. Claiming that HOURS worth of research and typing were pre-arranged in an ultimate web of deceit for the sole purpose of killing NEWB is flattering, but also ridiculous.

Also, I dont see whats so suspicious about changing votes after new evidence is brought to light. For instance how most of the town has changed its vote against me because of your post. If my crusade against NEWB was suspicious then yours is equally so.


Also:

Originally Posted by Nique

Oh, and just for the damn record... Nique is a dude, psycho mantis. Call me 'her' again, and I'll show you what 'more cowbell' is all about!

Sorry about that. When I first saw you post you had that VG Cats avatar with the chick with the sword. My brain just registered you as female. Heh.

And finally:

Originally Posted by Nique

The murder of SSB is intended to direct attention towards me as a potential Mafia member, which just isn't likely

If I am the nefarious mafia manipulation master-mind that you seem to think I am, then can you please explain why I completely and utterly failed to follow up on SSB Interns murder with an accusation? If the whole point of killing SSB Intern was to make you look like a mafioso, then why did I post this early on in Day 2?

Originally Posted by Me

Nique has accused just about everyone in the game so far(in his lists) AND didnt vote to kill Newb which would have been the mafia thing to do. Raiden also didnt vote for Newb and has seemed pretty straightforward so far so I doubt it is either of them.

Thus helping to absolve both you and Raiden. And dont tell me its more of my mind-games. I'm not some super genius that can think 500 steps ahead like that.

If the point of killing SSB Intern was to frame you or Raiden then NONE of the mafia have come forward to take advantage of it. Whoops! More likely, SSB Intern was killed to frame me. Or he just died cause he was inconvienent to the mob, or someone rolled a D20 and his number came up.

Second post to follow....

[Psycho Mantis]

Now: Since I made my point I will now Unvote: Mestizio

On to the good stuff:

Why You Shouldnt Kill Me

Basically Nique/others arguments against me boil down to:

A)I'm some sort of mafia genius who master-minded a huge plot to take down Newb.

and

B)I had SSB Intern murdered to frame Nique

There are some very serious problems with those theories. Lets start with A. First of all, as Kuji pointed out being the first to accuse someone is a terribly stupid thing to do, for a couple reasons:
1)You have to provide evidence of their guilt
2)You draw massive amounts of attention to yourself
3)You are the first to be put to the fire if they are innocent.

So if my goal was to rally everyone to kill an innocent then I sure picked a dumb way to do it. It would have been much better to wait for someone else to accuse someone then jump on the bandwagon.

Secondly, we've already established the link between amount posted and number of accusations. So if I was mafia, why would I take so much of a risk to post speculation posts where I explore options using logic and accuse no one? Its a huge need-less risk if my goal is to turn people against innocents.

Now B. If the point was to frame Nique, then I missed the point. Notice how n o one accused Nique. In fact, I didnt accuse anyone this turn. The only claim I made was that I dont think Raiden or Nique are mafia. Again, if I am the mafia mastermind, why would I ruin the whole point of killing SSB Intern when I had the perfect oppurtunity to blame Nique early? The reason is because I'm not mafia and I dont think Nique is either.

So either these theories dont make any sense, or I'm sort of bipolar genius, switching between brilliance and completely stupidity.

Finally: How dangerous am I? I have one vote. I do not posess the power to control minds. I cannot make you vote for other people. Plus, I have accused less people than everyone else(except non-posters). My only accusation was against Newb(Mest doesnt count, I just voted there to prove a point.). So If I'm some mafia infiltrator I'm doing a horrible job at making you fight amongst yourselves.

In my opinion I provide useful logic and arguments and make the game more interesting.

Anyway my goal has always been to be a helpful and insightful member of the team. I hope I've accomplished that.

I will make no accusations or votes this turn as a show of good intentions.

At this point, I've said all I can in my defense and I leave my fate to the crowd.

*sits down and smokes a pipe*
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Originally Posted by Mest

Oh and for psycho read my sig. It might apply to you hear just a little.

What does febreze have to do with anything? :P

[Kikuichimonji]

I really hate to change a vote, but Unvote: Psycho Mantis

Explanation:
#1 - I don't want someone to cast the final vote before others get a chance to change theirs, in the event someone 'seals the deal' before a person gets a change of heart.

#2 - Nique's entire theory rests on the belief that the mafia instigated the vote of Newb. But Nique said that Mestizio is looking less guilty, which undermines his theory that she was trying to bring about the verdict upon a nonguilty member. Also, the premise that we assume that the first voters are mafiates is not intelligent. They'd be playing the smart game, spacing themselves out sometimes and sometimes not, and definitely taking advantage of anything that the civvies do themselves. Newb's accusations were certainly a little ridiculous, and thus appeared scummy. I wasn't to the stage of accusing him of being da mafia, but it was certainly a good possibility. I can't find justification to vote Psycho, unless new evidence comes up. I may be swayed, but not without further interpretation.

Slightly not-Psycho Mantis-related: There's an invisible struggle here between two beliefs: that the mafia will get directly involved in the lynching politics, and that they would stay away to avoid attention. I argue that they would use varying tactics to prevent any uniformity - some would post often and offer intelligent advice, but some would act stupid, and some would purposely act just a little piratey so that another mafiate could bring them into a psuedo-accusation. The mafia will not all get caught at the same time. Invisibility is their primary tool, and I expect that at least one person out of the five would have realised that and explained to the others.

[Nique]

Let's not get TOO involved guys - this is an intense game, but it IS just a game. Just remember that I don't actually think psycho is in a real gang. ^_-

Originally Posted by PM

Because I didnt mess up. I, along with 9 others, went with the best information we had, and the best information we had pointed at Newb. Unfortunately he wasnt mafia, but I mean, we did the best we could.

Intentional or not, it was a mistake. Had everyone gone along with my SSB Intern vote, that too would have been a mistake as we now know. I disagree that everyone went via the best information, rather, I belive everyone, you included, got impatient for a kill. It advanced the game, and narrowed our suspect list though, so Its not something that really could have been avoided.

You're putting as much brainpower into this as I am. Dont think that you're not dangerous either! Ex. You've gotten someone on the brink of a fatal mob-stabbing.

True. I can't say that I wouldn't be an asset to the mafia if I was in it. However, my voting behavior prior to votes for you is less suspect than your's. It's only one case, but it's all we've got.

Here you are contradicting your actions on the first day where you voted against the majority and werent in a rush to lynch someone.

Why are you in such a hurry to silence me?

Becuase I think you are part of the mafia. I'm in no rush to lynch you though. If you'll notice, I've asked people to be very careful with their votes, even while encouraging them to vote against you. I want to see more posts by different parties to better examine who else might be guilty.

So you're saying that my analysis is something neither a mafia nor townsmember would do, so therefore I'm mobbed-up and you're onto my plot? I dont see the logic there.

Like a reverse-reverse psycology kind of thing. We expect reverse psycology, but if you act like we think you should act if you were guilty, we know you'd expect us to figure that out... but if you take it a few steps further... well, its a big mind game.

Trying not to be lynched proves that I'm guilty? You didnt even touch any of my arguments!

Not trying not to be lynched - voting for a suspected mafian appears as if you're trying hard to show us that you're not, which denotes nervousness, which suggests hiding something.

Look, no one can win at this kind of debate, becuase all of my and YOUR conclusions are forcebly based on assumptions. Namely, the assumption(s) that 'if 'X' person was mafia, he/she would preform 'Y' action'

If you WERE mafia, the NEWB case worked out perfect for you. If you weren't, I think you might have been more careful with your vote and influence.

You dont know that I'm not the PO or bodyguard.

And how crappy I would feel if you died in that case. But the same could be said of any other player, so my statment stands on the assumption that you are not either of those things.

Also, I dont see whats so suspicious about changing votes after new evidence is brought to light. For instance how most of the town has changed its vote against me because of your post. If my crusade against NEWB was suspicious then yours is equally so.

My arguments have more merit, but only becuase of the NEWB case examples. But yes, I am suspect. However, the entire SSB intern sqaubble did not hint of any 'scummy' behavior, until someone tried to frame me for his murder becuase of said altercation.

Sorry about that. When I first saw you post you had that VG Cats avatar with the chick with the sword. My brain just registered you as female. Heh.

Oh yikes. Dude. That was Sephiroth. :whee:

If I am the nefarious mafia manipulation master-mind that you seem to think I am, then can you please explain why I completely and utterly failed to follow up on SSB Interns murder with an accusation? If the whole point of killing SSB Intern was to make you look like a mafioso, then why did I post this early on in Day 2?

Becuase that would make you look suspicious, and you've had to deal with the accusations being hurled at yourself first.

However, since no one has stepped up to your defense (unvoting doesn't count) and you make points eqaully good as mine, I no longer belive with much certainty, that you are mafia.

Originally Posted by Kiku

Nique's entire theory rests on the belief that the mafia instigated the vote of Newb. But Nique said that Mestizio is looking less guilty, which undermines his theory that she was trying to bring about the verdict upon a nonguilty member.

Becuase of psycho's unvote, Mestizio now looks MORE guilty. I'm going to move on to my second suspect and
Unvote: psycho mantis
Vote: Mestizio

[Deathosaurus Wrecks]

(jezzus, internet goes out for a few days an i miss twenty fricking pages of game)

ok, so i've been skimming through whats been going on and trying to get caught up.

so..."methinks he doth protest too much", and its my panicky FoS that's gonna cast a Vote: Psycho Mantis

[Kikuichimonji]

Originally Posted by Nique

Becuase of psycho's unvote, Mestizio now looks MORE guilty. I'm going to move on to my second suspect and
Unvote: psycho mantis
Vote: Mestizio

I'm not getting your logic here

[Nique]

Good vote. Desisive, simple. I like that.

I'm torn between Psycho and Mestizio. And then I have the sneaking suspician that the mafia is barely involved at all, and we're just killing ourselves... But what else can we do?

I'm not getting your logic here

Psycho and Mest. are my two primary suspects, but if mest. holds her psycho vote, that means that they can't both be mafia. Mestizio shows consistent behavior in voting (once agreeing with PM, and then with me) whereas psycho mantis has not becuase 1)he's innocent or 2)the mafia's strategy had to change to give my previous arguments less credibility.

I think I'm giving psycho too much credit - I don't know that he would think as far ahead as I was suggesting. Mestizio, however, has supported two lynchings heavily, and one innocent lyching of those two, but has remained out of the spotlight, as it were. I think what happened was once I started pointing fingers, she supported me to kind of stroke my ego, and give me the confidence to continue my accusation of PM. Her agreement gave others confidence in my arguments, and before you know it I'm at the head of a well-developed mafia scheme. Its perfect - they go unnoticed as mere 'support' and then all the other towksfolk and mafia jump on the lynch bandwagon to kill an innocent. It's another assumption based theory, but I think this would be a good way to do things if I was in the mafia.