Mafia: Basic

[Mesden]

Originally Posted by B_real_shadows

Ok, then, I remove Silly Kitty from that list, so that makes 4. And CmP, youre off since a mafiate isnt likely (if at all) to take the first vote on someone in a case like this. So now its 3. Mesden, Ogianres, and SithDarth.

Mafiates don't vote first? Complete and UTTER bullshit.

I'll refer you to both of the games where I was, indeed, Mafia. The mafia voted first a few times, actually.

See MB's game? I made the FIRST anti town vote. And won with it. I made the FIRST vote against a fellow mafiate. And won with it.

Want to spout this again? Because saying what a mafiate does when I, ME of all people, is like telling Bush how to be a dumbass(Please, no one get riled up over this.)

The mafiate votes first when they have a GOOD REASON. CmP pulled one up VERY well, I'm ashamed to say I didn't catch it before him. (Maple Quest owns my soul.)

Now, B_Real, keep pressing this BS. All it has done is made me INCREDIBLY suspicious of you to near voting edge. (I'm a conservative player mostly, as you can tell from my mafia strategy in the first game((Aside from me being rambunctious to get myself voted off)) and in the second, I was very stingy with my votes and only EVER voted for a mafiate, save IHMN((This was when I was the Cult Leader)).)

B_Real, you better think up SOMETHING real quick, because you are mere moments away from obtaining my vote.

[P-Sleazy]

well, so long as I die, I've left the town with the best thing I could do as a regular vanilla townie and that was giving you the odds on killing a mafiate in random kills. The most I can do after this is continue providing those odds but as I've given you the formula's for how each probability was found, you will be able to do that yourselves aswell now.

Only other thing I can do to help the town is my strategy for the game, which once given, my mode of playing this game will become somewhat clearer. But If I give it before I die, then evil shall know my plans!

[The Wandering God]

Originally Posted by B_real_shadows

But If I give it before I die, then evil shall know my plans!

Tough.

The town is more important than any regular citizen. Yeah, I went there.

Because, it's, ya know, true.

If you can help the town, but it means you dying, then you should still do it. Don't let fear control your actions. It shouldn't be about your plans. Or mine. Or any regular townie (which we must assume everyone is, and then work from there. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.) No, what should be of supreme importance is helping the town's plans.

That said, of course, it could be a ruse to say, "Don't kill me, I can be very helpful." Which may or may not be true. Even regular townies can (and have/will) get other townies lynched.

It shouldn't be about one person. It should be a consensus. (As opposed to mob rule, domino effect, and bandwagoning, which lead to bad things.)

I still withhold my vote though.

Upon reflection, I'd say Catlover is the same as last time. A citizen with entirely too much zeal, and easily led at that. A dangerous weapon in the hands of a skilled mafiate manipulator. Or a nuisance.

But maybe not mafiate. Maybe not.

As to Mesden, I don't feel particulary one way or the other yet. Nothing she said has particulary struck me as innocent or guilty sounding. Merely very carefully worded. Take that as you may.

The Wandering God

[Ogianres]

I have to agree that Catlover is probably an overzealous townie. I've seen people act like that before. UNVOTE
However, I still find B_Real to be suspicious, and I think he deserves a confirm FOS.
I have a gut feeling about CmP and Mesden, but a gut feeling is never something I vote or give a serious FOS upon, but still-- Tiny FOS: CmP and Mesden

[Mesden]

Well, TWG is right on the most part. Also, thanks, I try to make my posts well worded and thought out.

Further more, I think that gut feeling is because of either how active we are, our intimidation as good players, or, then again, just a feeling.

For now, I'll address one thing.

Originally Posted by TWG

Upon reflection, I'd say Catlover is the same as last time. A citizen with entirely too much zeal, and easily led at that. A dangerous weapon in the hands of a skilled mafiate manipulator. Or a nuisance.

Just because he acted one way in the last game, should not give him any special circumstances in this one. He could be using his past as a cover to allow aggressiveness, which being able to be unpunishably aggressive is a POWERFUL weapon for a Mafiate. I should know. I did it in .Hack Mafia.

Now, what occurs to me are two people. One, which I have already stated is B_Real. All the reasons are fairly obvious and I HOPE don't need repeating.

The other, which may come as a surprise from me, is CmP. At first, I thought well of him. But, in retrospect, I see his actions taking place off mine. Also, his influence matches and exceeds mine here and when pseudo working in my favor as he has, leads me to suspect that maybe he is trying to get a strong player(Me) to be friendly with him and take the brunt of the blow in case that B_Real is not mafia and is lynched.

Remember, just because he votes first doesn't mean a thing. Check Mafia SP. Neyo didn't vote first, but for all intents and purposes led the charge and voted later. Making him less conspicuous until pointed out (by me and Garud, the teaming cultists at that time) and later being found as a mafiate. Which in this case could happen to me, as I am not the first to vote and I have, for all intents and purposes, led the charge gainst B_Real.

I may judge my views a bit too much on past games, but these strategems have worked and slight variations on them could be equally as deadly. ESPECIALLY in the hands of a player such as CmP who is, without a doubt, powerful, well worded and influential among us.

EDIT for grammar. A couple of mistakes that my mental nagging can't take. And to add this.

Sith's point on me only being a good mafiate is a BIT off. In Mafia SP, I was cult leader and anti mafia as well. In my entire time of dealing in that game, the ONLY two people I ever voted for were mafiates. I'd say my performance of being antimafia is also well decorated as I haven't been wrong thus far with a vote.

[Sithdarth]

Originally Posted by Mesden

Sith's point on me only being a good mafiate is a BIT off. In Mafia SP, I was cult leader and anti mafia as well. In my entire time of dealing in that game, the ONLY two people I ever voted for were mafiates. I'd say my performance of being antimafia is also well decorated as I haven't been wrong thus far with a vote.

I addressed this fact slightly by saying this:

Originally Posted by Me

Now Mesden's considerable exprience with the Mafia could benefit us, so that's a plus.

Let me elaborate slightly. Sure you may be able to pick Mafiates out but that does not a good townie make. First you must pick out a Mafiate and convince everyone else. That's not an easy thing to do and is complicated be the second part of this mini-list. Second, you have to convince people to go along with you without raising the suspicions of the other townies and getting yourself lynched or Vigged. Which tends to also be a rather difficult prospect; this will be especially true if either B_real or Mesden turn out to be townies. Third you have to fly under the radar of the Mafia or convince someone to protect you from night hits.

As of yet Mesden as well as myself and most other player haven't demonstrated these qualties, at least not that I have seen. I gave CmP a pass for two reasons. One, everyone already agrees to him being strong. Two, I assume he has great external expierence with Mafia not tied to this board.

All that said I'll be alert, even with regards to CmP, for any signs of dishonesty or subterfuge. No one gets a pass, I just don't think Mesden was a valid Mafiate first day hit. There are a couple of much higher profile players and she'd be great to have around to stir up suspicion if only for her past.

[Mesden]

Originally Posted by Sithdarth

Let me elaborate slightly. Sure you may be able to pick Mafiates out but that does not a good townie make. First you must pick out a Mafiate and convince everyone else. That's not an easy thing to do and is complicated be the second part of this mini-list. Second, you have to convince people to go along with you without raising the suspicions of the other townies and getting yourself lynched or Vigged. Which tends to also be a rather difficult prospect; this will be especially true if either B_real or Mesden turn out to be townies. Third you have to fly under the radar of the Mafia or convince someone to protect you from night hits.

As of yet Mesden as well as myself and most other player haven't demonstrated these qualties, at least not that I have seen. I gave CmP a pass for two reasons. One, everyone already agrees to him being strong. Two, I assume he has great external expierence with Mafia not tied to this board.

All that said I'll be alert, even with regards to CmP, for any signs of dishonesty or subterfuge. No one gets a pass, I just don't think Mesden was a valid Mafiate first day hit. There are a couple of much higher profile players and she'd be great to have around to stir up suspicion if only for her past.

Well, I know I've been able to examine posts well and pick out mafiates. That's one down. As to fly under the radar...I wasn't ever suspected by the town as evil in that game. The vig hit me off random rolling and the Mafia didn't like me picking half their members.

As to getting people to believe me, that's up in the air. On the one hand, in that game, I couldn't get anyone to follow me when I accused and voted for the mafiates, then again, it's fairly obvious with my Mafia expertise that I can make someone look very guilty when they aren't, which could be converted into anti mafiate tactics.

So, I'm at least 2/3 and possibly 3/3 if my mafiate skills can be harnessed to this.

Also, Sith, the mafia may not have picked me because I'm one of them. That is a BIG possibility that you didn't mention and leads me to believe that you doubt me being mafia. The same with B_Real's statement which I caught.

*Cough* Me possibly overevaluating posts again or just doing a good job. *Cough*

[Sithdarth]

As for the not mentioning that you could have been passed over because of being in the Mafia there is a quick and dirty explination. My first post on this very subject was all about B_real's accusation that you must, or at least most probably would, be Mafia because they didn't kill you on Night 1. As such I didn't think it needed repeating. B_real's logic may have been strange but yes the possibility he is right is still there. I've just not seen the evidence to make that secenairo any more likely then anything else that has been presented. In short, I have yet to form a solid opinion regarding you and pretty much anyone else. Perhaps with the exception of B_real and Catlover, I think, both warrent extra caution for several reason stated both by me and by you.

[Silly Kitty]

Originally Posted by Mesden

Just because he acted one way in the last game, should not give him any special circumstances in this one. He could be using his past as a cover to allow aggressiveness, which being able to be unpunishably aggressive is a

Or he could just be a really bad mafia player. In any case I am going to FOS him. I probably won't vote on him because this may be just the way he plays. No tact, I guess.

Sadly, I still haven't read all of this. I'm slipping. T.T

[secretskull]

B-Real hasn't cleared himself much in his last post as far as I'm concerned. It sounded far too threatening toward the end. At the moment though, we should be concentrating on getting all the low posters and lurkers to post. As of now we have 6 lurkers, and around three low posters.