Mafia: Basic

[CallmePrismatic]

Again, I never wanted to look like I was defending Mes. In fact, it should be looked at as more self-preserving on my part, because I wasn't aware of the potential backlash that resulted from the joke; If I hadn't disuaded people from voting Mes then it might have snowballed too far and the vote trail would have lead back to me, even though I never meant for it to go that far. So, bottom line, Self-preservation.

Silly Kitty, I'm going to assume that you're suspicous of me still because I 'defend' the mafia, which is utter bullshit. I just outlined why known townies would be mafia targets, and I'd ask that you find a post or quote that shows me 'defending' them.

[Silly Kitty]

No no, I just think you are acting funny. It wasn't so much as defending as it was absolutely knowing what the mafia would do. You just seemed to talk about the mafia a bit too much. I have nothing more than that and that is why it is just a FOS. CMP, pretty much everyone is FOSed so don't get to uppity about it. The people I do FOS out loud are the ones I am looking at at the moment.

Last game Twiddy did the same thing and he turned out to be mafia.

[catlover20410]

Vote:B_real

I agree with Mesden's logics entirely, and I just have a bad feeling about him. He seems scummy.

[The Wandering God]

Originally Posted by Mesden

Uh huh. Not defending one's self against two accusers with viable points I do consider suspicious. Also, I've been dangerously close to voting for him this whole time. I believe I stated it before CmP actually voted. He vote before even getting a response and then, once accused, never really replied to those accusations aside from the "You'll see once I die" ploy. Which I will remind you has been most lynched mafiate's last action.

So basically you are getting on his back because he voted without proper reason? Well hell, let's just lynch Catlover, who as of now, has changed his vote, what? 3 times? 4 times? And his reasons for voting are paper thin at best?

No, sorry, I don't buy that. And trying to compound via his lack of defense? Which was probably closer to "Well, boy, I screwed up." I don't think he is defending himself, because well, it's hard to use the "I screwed up" defense, as that seems to get a person killed pretty quickly. Whether they were innocent or not. (I've seen it both ways, from my perspective anyway.)

Originally Posted by Mesden

Now, the elaborate post is seen as a helpful thing, am I right to say this? Yes, he would get attention, but in a positive light rather than the negative that he was under not so long ago. I'll take this and every other stated point as enough reason to vote for him.

Wait. Trying to make himself useful is grounds for hanging in your opinion? WTF? You ARE thinking like a mafiate. And in this case, it's dangerous to the town.

Originally Posted by Mesden

Now for my defenses.

Well, as far as the "This many times" thing, I blatantly said that it was random and that everyone had the same chance, debunking that myself. Now, who said bringing attention was a bad thing? I consider it a valuable point as MORE people look at you when you say something. Hear you out more.

The reverse of that is, you have a nice bed of posts to go back to. My first game, I had trouble with the mafiates with high post counts. It's much easier to find evidence if there are fewer posts to examine. You (or any high poster mafiates) are much more able to hide behind a veil of words.

This isn't an accusation that post count reflects anything, it's actually saying the opposite. Being loud doesn't make you one way or the other. Especially if they are as smart as you.

Originally Posted by Mesden

You think it well to keep out of the limelight, I jump head in. It may be the fact(And this will always be true, no matter what my allignment) that I DO think as a mafiate, or atleast MY version of a mafiate. I refer you to my Inexperienced Mafia post to reassure this.

"You think it well to keep out of the limelight,..." XD Ahahahhaahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahha XD

Oh, that was a good laugh. Anyway, thinking like a mafiate only helps it actually gives some insight into the way the mafiates are playing. But that is your way of seeming useful to the town, isn't it? Like we couldn't figure out what the mafia was doing without you? (Probably not, I'll admit. But it is an issue I wanted to put out there and be blunt about. I hope you prefer me being honest.)

Originally Posted by Mesden

I'm quite the unorthodox player, as you have seen. My plan of attack and defense has never been the same, no matter the game. I'll say this keeps true as of now, because I never became the catalystic persona before.

The thing is, you catalyzed almost exclusively around yourself. Most of the time, it's two people, one starting and the other picking it up. In this case, it was CmP. THAT is why I'm suspicous of you. One, or both, of you isn't right here.

You, for laying a trap. (Seriously, defending yourself early, then accusing someone who goes for ya? You were drawing yourself into the open. You said you expected someone to accuse you eventually because of it. That kind of comes off as egotisitcal though. You are expecting that? Are your fellow townies so very petty like that? (Again, sorry for the harsh words, but I wish I could plut it less bluntly. I'd also like to state that I wouldn't have made an issue out of it.)) Him, for walking into so obvious a trap. (Up to acknowledgeing it at as a "joke". Which, as he well knows, can be very dangerous for either party.)

Originally Posted by Mesden

I WANTED my starting post to turn on the spotlights, so to say. I like a fast game with activity and I KNEW it needed a catalyst to get off the ground. I took it upon myself to do this and defend myself at the same time. To me, this is reasonable.

To me, it doesn't. What possible point could it serve but to make the first person who accuses you look like a heel? Even if they didn't use that line of thinking, you could say they were. It's basically setting up a trap. Again, you are thinking like a mafiate. Is that really best for the town, that way?

Originally Posted by Mesden

Heh, well, I can't agree with that seeing as I intentionally got it rolling. Again, this would just be tedious to say it again.

No, you were defending yourself. CmP was the first one to vote for you. But now you aren't even focusing on him, you are on B_real. Of course, if he wasn't guilty, then you could always snake it back to CmP. Or conversly, he could say you manipulated it from the start, and get you hung. This is why I'm suspicious of both of you.

Originally Posted by Mesden

Good, I love accusations and doubt placed on me. It gets me on my toes and lets me have fun. Keep em coming, people. I'm here all day and I will respond with the same bravado I always have.

A show of words is just that. Heh. Don't know how I feel about this yet, to be honest.

Originally Posted by Mesden

No no no no no. Being respected has nothing to do with it and should never. Unless you know for a fact our role, than we should have the same position as others, only altered by our performance IN this game.

Yet you are basing your thinking on last games. Mesden, we don't exist in a vacuum. But let's be honest here, if IHateMakingNames was in this game, how long do you think he would last? Why are former town roles are almost always the first night kill? It shouldn't affect things, but it does. By saying, "This is how I acted before", how is that really any different than saying "I've been around the block a few times." Experience is intimidating.

Originally Posted by Mesden

Now, I've already casted my doubt on CmP. He has been pseudo on my side this entire time. ESPECIALLY with the "Don't vote Mesden! This is a joke!" That aroused my suspicion quickly and then his defense of me just kept getting on my nerves.

Yes you have. Like I said before, "back up plan". Isn't it nice when you have mulitple targets. (Yes, I'm aware of the hypocrisy there, but then again, I didn't start this, now did I?)

Originally Posted by Mesden

But, my vote for B_Real is the fact that my accusations go unattended. Therefore, my suspicion was never put to rest in the slightest and it has been pushed by his last act of "Helping".

Take this as you will. He's deserved my vote until I'm convinced otherwise.

Now, I looked back, but couldn't see your vote. Especially since you said at the start of the message, " I've been dangerously close to voting for him this whole time." I don't remember you voting for him. (Newb's vote summary is really obtuse. Sorry, Newb.) If you could kindly point it out, I'd appreciate it.

Again, part of your accusations are that he isn't defending himself. How do you defend yourself from accusations of being quiet? By being useful. At the very least, I think that's what all those numbers are supposed to do.

I had people get suspcious of me when I was loud, but didn't get defensive about it. I merely acknowledged it. (And yeah, someone else entirely said it sounded suspicous who ended up being a townie, so there ya go.)

Originally Posted by CallmePrismatic

Again, I never wanted to look like I was defending Mes. In fact, it should be looked at as more self-preserving on my part, because I wasn't aware of the potential backlash that resulted from the joke; If I hadn't disuaded people from voting Mes then it might have snowballed too far and the vote trail would have lead back to me, even though I never meant for it to go that far. So, bottom line, Self-preservation.

Wasn't aware? Yeah right. Again, I think you are far too smart and experienced to make that kind of mistake. I'd hate to use that as a point, but your defense rests on your capability to play, so I'm afraid I have no choice. Of course, the vote trail thing is part of the reason that I think one of you is suspicious. (For more indepth about this, go back up to my responses with Mesden if you just skipped down here.) I'm definitely going to vote for one of you now. One more response each, and then I'll decide.

Originally Posted by CmP

Silly Kitty, I'm going to assume that you're suspicous of me still because I 'defend' the mafia, which is utter bullshit. I just outlined why known townies would be mafia targets, and I'd ask that you find a post or quote that shows me 'defending' them.

Yet you refuse to acknowledge the sk again. Which is really starting to vex me. But at least you are acknowledging that being a known townie is dangerous.

Originally Posted by catlover20410

Vote:B_real

I agree with Mesden's logics entirely, and I just have a bad feeling about him. He seems scummy.

Just how many times have you changed your votes this game? Seriously? YOU JUST VOTED FOR HER! TWICE! What the hell is wrong with you?

You are a danger to the town and everyone in it. Once I figure out Mesden and CmP, I'm going to come after you. You are too easily persueded and dangerous to mafia manipulation.

The Wandering God

[CallmePrismatic]

Wasn't aware? Yeah right. Again, I think you are far too smart and experienced to make that kind of mistake. I'd hate to use that as a point, but your defense rests on your capability to play, so I'm afraid I have no choice.

Actually it's my 'experience' that led me to my 'mistake'. On the other mafia-rich forum I go too there's a poster who, like Mes, had a string of anti-townie roles. Over time people would begin every game by voting for the guy, even in games he wasn't even in (and he was actually gone from the forums for six months and the joke still went on), and some even put "Vote: The guy" in their sigs when it became super prevalent. I assumed I could implement a similar joke in the forums, but instead it seems that a joke like that isn't NPF-fare. (For proof that I didn't just fabricate an elaborate cover story, go here and look for mentions of Bounty Hunter.)

Yet you refuse to acknowledge the sk again. Which is really starting to vex me. But at least you are acknowledging that being a known townie is dangerous.

Acknowledging? I'd like to think I'm championing the notion.

And how should I acknowledge the SK to appease you? Like I said, I don't know how the SK thinks because I've never been in an SK-role, while I know common mafia tricks, so naturally I highlight mafia-tactics. Of course, I'm not alone. Look through the thread and you'll find little discussion of SK-mentality by his/her lonesome, most of the time the SK is only mentioned in the shadow of the mafia (i.e. "We need to find the mafia and SK").

I'm not saying you're wrong on the SK-fixation, (s)he is a major threat to the town along with the mafia, but don't jump on my back for not sharing your zeal.

[P-Sleazy]

For all those wanting to know why I'm not defending myself.

why the fuck should I? Theres no way I can without making up some kinds of bullshit thats obvious crap. You guys think I'm scummy because of my previous actions. Fine. I can't change my previous actions. can either of you change them? no. All I gain from defending myself is a deeper hole dug by someone whose trying to get me lynched (Mesden) and we all know she's capable of it. So I'm gonna let her have her day in the sun, not do anything and see if she can dig me a deeper hole with the same stuff she has.

Once people know your tricks Mesden, their not gonna work anymore. I remember you digging that hole for KBM in //Hack mafia was it? Now I'm not gonna give you the dirt to dig me a hole or to lead me on to dig myself a hole. I'd rather dig it myself without anyones influence THANK YOU VERY MUCH!

[Major Blood]

Originally Posted by The_Wandering_God

So basically you are getting on his back because he voted without proper reason? Well hell, let's just lynch Catlover, who as of now, has changed his vote, what? 3 times? 4 times? And his reasons for voting are paper thin at best?

Even though they might not be Mafiates, they are still as dangerous. Voting recklessly can cause as much problems as the serial killer does. That being said, i agree with Mes's logic too so Vote: B_real

[P-Sleazy]

Originally Posted by Major

Voting recklessly can cause as much problems as the serial killer does.

So I'm voting recklessly? how many times have I voted? 3? 4 times? I'm sorry but that was Catlover. I can count my votes on one finger since I've only voted once.

[Silly Kitty]

B_Real, you are acting kind of silly. If you defend yourself instead of digging a deeper hole you could dig yourself right back out of that hole. I think you are just trying to get lynched so you can take Mes down with you. I don't think you are scummy, and I don't think you will be lynched just because you won't defend yourself. Seriously, what kind of mafia person just wouldn't defend himself?

[Ogianres]

I think this could be a case of WIFOM.
Unfortunately, I can't agree with myself on whether or not B_Real is using WIFOM on purpose, or if it is just an unfortunate side-effect of him not defending himself.