Mafia: Basic

[Silly Kitty]

If I remember right I believe POS asked us to lynch him. If nothing else maybe we should lynch lurkers.

Edit: Post count!

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4 The_Wandering_God - 29
5 DarthMauler64 - 16
6 Mesden - 55
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8 h4x.m4g3 - 7
9 Thundergod_Cid - 16
10 POS_Industries - 1
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12 CallmePrismatic - 37
13 FenrisWolf - 14
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15 CrazyBen - 5
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20 Silly Kitty - 41
21 The Wizard Who Did It - 4
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23 secretskull - 10
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25 Big Mac - 0

Vote: Big Mac

[CallmePrismatic]

I'm torn between CrazyBen (only 5 posts, voted No Lynch and B_real) and Big Mac (no posts at all).

Vote: Big Mac

Crazy at least came on to explain why he wasn't an active high participator, Big Mac didn't even give us the satisfaction of his presence. Still, FOS: CrazyBen, for when he comes around again.

[Mesden]

Alright, out of our 13 players, more than HALF have a guaranteed role.

4 mafiates
1 PO
1 Vig
1 Reporter

Also, it seems the perspective of my power is a failure now as both other "Talkative" players are gone. The town has had many dropouts so far, all townies aside from the Reporter who has been reassigned.

There are two confirmed townies, I and TWG. I expect to be killed tonight and TWG the next, as CmP stated the danger known townies pose to mafia.

12 people, 7 roles. 5 are non town alligned while 4 are mafia. At this point, it's nearly impossible for the reporter to win.

Once I and TWG are killed, I PLEAD for the PO to reveal all Mafiates he knows for the possibility of his/her death by Mafia and Vig. It might be good for you to proclaim it now if you know one, as for the chance of the Vig hitting you OR the Mafia not killing I and TWG in hopes of hitting you(PO) or the Vig.

CmP, your Roleclaim is an annoying proposition to me. Call me stubborn in my belief, but your role has no way to prove itself to me. My only REAL belief is that the Mafia didn't kill you to keep TWG and I on your case. Then again, if you are mafia, that's a reason to stay alive by night as well.

It's really tearing through my logic process, but for now, and only now, I'll Unvote: CmP and Vote: Big Mac for his no posts.

[Thundergod Cid]

Day 3 and we have someone who hasn't made a single post?

Vote: Big Mac

[The Wizard Who Did It]

I must actually say that I am against voting Big Mac. For one simple reason...

He's completely inactive. I say it would be a better to call upon the divine light that has been called for the sake of our somplistic minds "Newb" to just kick him out. It's LIKE lynching him except we get a two for one kill card.

[The Wandering God]

Lots of stuff to go over.

Originally Posted by CallmePrismatic

You're right, I posted a list of convincing reasons against Ogianres. No, wait, something in both of our sentences doesn't seem right...

Oh yeah, CONVINCING REASONS. I didn't wish this stuff out of thin air, he had done it, I brought it into the light, people agreed. His actions belied scum, and since I'm not a mind reader I could only base my opinion of him by what I saw him do.

And again, you totally managed to avoid most of what I say. First off, I accused you of faulty reasoning. Just because others agree with you, doesn't make it any less faulty. Yes I did vote for him. But all that means is you are good at making a convincing argument. To quote something you said, "Because I was sure I could beat the vote count." So if all you are good at is arguing your way out of trouble, I don't see how that helps the town. Especially when your arguments have almost killed one townie (B_real) and HAVE killed another (Ogianres).

Believe me, I know the power of a huge post to intimidate some who might not be willing to look all the way through it for a vote. Not often, and not very effective, but certainly a tactic if you want to get more votes. (Even townies do this I acknowledge. But then it only helps if it results in a mafiate getting lynched...)

Originally Posted by The Wizard Who Did It

How very true. It is suspicious.

However, I made my vote as I saw fit. Funny enough I found that my main reason for voting him (he's a veteran, he shouldn't be making these mistakes) wasn't completely true. But it worked out in the end. … Should probably have done my research first…

Well, worked out in the sense that your vote was totally superfluous, then yeah, you'd be right.

Just trying to help. And I knew that it wouldn't take that much effort to make that post. I'm very, very lazy.

Actually I just put it there for completeness sake to to show how little you had posted.

A lot of people other than me did so.

True, including me. However, you DID vote for him. Just because other people did it, doesn't make it any less a stain on your record.

Of course, you also threw out a FoS to CmP. But since most everyone has done so at that point, it was again a case of you simply going with the flow without actually saying anything new.

I'm a procrastinator. I wait for the last second to do something. The one time here when I have broken that rule, the second time, was because it took me only 30 seconds to make the post, as previously explained.

You should know that isn't in the best interests of the town. Being a vet, you should know what will be expected.

Should... yet apparently didn't. Either willfully or not, it's still not any less dangerous.

I may just be brain dead right now, but what does this prove?

What I meant with the 2 out of 3 is that most townies are pretty conservative with their votes. Let me put it another way. Let's say a random unknown town member had 30 posts in a thread. (Compare to Mesden's 56 and my 29.) That'd be 20 VOTES. It's a matter of percentages is what I'm trying to get across.

And if any of this seems half assed, it's mainly because I want to hear your responses before I make any more arguments. I'm not going to start jumping out at shadows like Mesden did earlier, as that just caused a lot of controversy.

Or you couldn't yet define how you would defend yourself...

*shrugs*

just saying.

Originally Posted by Mesden

Eh. Track records aren’t everything. Remember if you will B_Real. His track record had to be the worst of all. He was a townie. (If you want clarification on this, I can try to give it to what I have in immediate knowledge.)

Honestly, I’m worried about Lurkers right now more than anything. My eye be on them, CmP and Twid.

Yeah, but I never got the feeling B_real was mafia. I know we are supposed to use logic and thought out conclusions, but you do need some sense of how things read. I thought he was simply the result of a plot started by CmP. Oh, and guess what, B_real was a townie. Go fig.

And I said in a previous game, I hate inactives. However, now we are in trouble. We've had so many people drop out ( :stressed: ) that we can't just start lynching them too. Let Newb deal with them.

Originally Posted by The Wizard Who Did It

I must actually say that I am against voting Big Mac. For one simple reason...

He's completely inactive. I say it would be a better to call upon the divine light that has been called for the sake of our somplistic minds "Newb" to just kick him out. It's LIKE lynching him except we get a two for one kill card.

While I'm still as suspicious of you as ever (maybe you could be a townie who is frustrated, or a mafia member who simply wants a fair game, maybe maybe, nothing known for sure) I do agree with you here.

We don't need to be wasting the town's resources (lynching and body count) without some sort of evidence.

Like the big pile that I keep seeing every time I look at CmP.

The Wandering God

[Mesden]

Originally Posted by The_Wandering_God

Like the big pile that I keep seeing every time I look at CmP.

The Wandering God

Well, as of now, the only reasoning people have in FAVOR of CmP lately is his Roleclaim. I'm not saying he's faulty, but jeez, the man has a role that is WORTHLESS as soon as suspicion draws to him. He can't prove it and therefore it's not worth agreeing with.

"I have a role. It's sad enough that it became useless RIGHT before it activated and RIGHT when a town alligned roleclaim is the best for me. Go figure, huh?"

Sorry, not feeling it.

Edit: Sorry, not in the most remembering of moods. Unvote: Big Mac for now. I'll have to give you some thoughts later as I'm not up to it right now.

[h4x.m4g3]

Originally Posted by The Wizard Who Did It

I must actually say that I am against voting Big Mac. For one simple reason...

He's completely inactive. I say it would be a better to call upon the divine light that has been called for the sake of our somplistic minds "Newb" to just kick him out. It's LIKE lynching him except we get a two for one kill card.

I'm gonna FOS: The Wizard Who Did It because the way you stated that is a little funny, 'two for one kill card' which would benefit the mafia, considering the mafia wins by lowering our numbers.

[CrazyBen]

The reason I haven't been posting that much is because, as I said, everything has already been said. Plus, this has mostly become Mesden and TWG vs. CMP, where you all just keep going around and around on the same few points, while the rest of us stand to the side, muttering and nodding, before you guys kick out someone else for us to hang at the last minute. I was starting to think Mes and CMP where a pair of Mafiates trying to keep us busy watching them fight like rabid squirrels, but now that Mesden is confirmed as a townie, I'm starting to think that CMP is a Mafioso that got lucky. So, until further notice...

Vote: CallmePrismatic

And if I'm wrong, we can at least get some peace and quiet. Until we're all shot.

[The Wizard Who Did It]

Originally Posted by The_Wandering_God

Well, worked out in the sense that your vote was totally superfluous, then yeah, you'd be right.

Worked out as in we got a mafia, and I didn't vote a townie which could look even more suspicious on my record.

Also, let's go back a little. If my memory serves me, it was a toss-up between Catlover and B Real. One we now know is a townie, and the other we now know is a mafia. They were both very close in votes. Now, I know my vote WAS surplus, but it was as necessary as any other persons. I can point out anybody but the person who initially voted for Catlover and say that person's vote wasn't necessary, which it wasn't. So, superfluous... maybe, but just as much as most peoples.

Yes, I am purposefully leaving out the fact that I voted near the end of the killing Catlover train. However, I’m not in the mood to try to provide an argument as for why it doesn’t always matter (time issues, access to computer, etc.), mainly because the above doesn’t apply to me. I’m just lazy, and although that is/was dangerous to the town on its own, it’s also all the explanation I need to give. Simply because it’s the truth.

EDIT: Looked back. My vote was surplus by two. Whatever. It still could have hypothetically helped, like any surplus vote is supposed to do.

Actually I just put it there for completeness sake to to show how little you had posted.

I know. I just had to mention it so there wasn’t an inconsistency in my procrastination point.

True, including me. However, you DID vote for him. Just because other people did it, doesn't make it any less a stain on your record.

How true. But if you realize that, don't make it sound when you accuse me that I alone voted for him. Or that it really means anything. As previously stated multiple times, not all non voters against a townie are townie, and not all voters are mafia. I could, logically, easily fall into either category.

And no, I am not denying the fact that I could be a mafia. I know the truth, but since no one else does, that doesn’t seem to matter.

Of course, you also threw out a FoS to CmP. But since most everyone has done so at that point, it was again a case of you simply going with the flow without actually saying anything new.

There was another reason why I barely posted in the first place... I think I mentioned it in the first post... Oh yeah! It was because I had nothing to say.

I would also like to mention that I have also had school on the back of my mind, so I haven’t really thought about this game too much. (the reason why I have nothing to say) Is that a crime? Only in the fact that then I am/was useless, but now that school’s out it seems that I might be posting in here more than once a game day.

You should know that isn't in the best interests of the town. Being a vet, you should know what will be expected.

I know it's not good for the town. And I knew I was eventually going to get eaten out for this. I go back to the school point, and leave it at that.

Should... yet apparently didn't. Either willfully or not, it's still not any less dangerous.

Apparently, but it didn't end up being the case. And... how is it dangerous? I'm curious to hear your view on this.

What I meant with the 2 out of 3 is that most townies are pretty conservative with their votes. Let me put it another way. Let's say a random unknown town member had 30 posts in a thread. (Compare to Mesden's 56 and my 29.) That'd be 20 VOTES. It's a matter of percentages is what I'm trying to get across.

Ah, but percentages don't really mean anything here. I decisively made two votes. Whereas the percentages show that I could be throwing them out willy-nilly, like your hypothetical here, if you actually look at how many votes I made it shows that I made sure that I knew who I wanted to vote for that night before I voted for them.

Or you couldn't yet define how you would defend yourself...

*shrugs*

just saying.

The possiblity is there, and you should be wary of it. However, the truth was I didn't want to defend myself against points that hadn't been made yet. The whole “assume makes an ass out of you and me” thing.

Originally Posted by h4x.m4g3

I'm gonna FOS: The Wizard Who Did It because the way you stated that is a little funny, 'two for one kill card' which would benefit the mafia, considering the mafia wins by lowering our numbers.

This is going to sound incredibly stupid, but I was waiting for someone to make that point. And now I will expand on what I meant...

We're voting for this guy. That means that at this rate he is going to die anyway. Now, the problem is that then we have another night at the mercy of the mafia. I mean, it's a possibility that tonight we could get lucky and the vig gets a mafia while the mafia only gets a townie. (or the weird doctor thing of CMP's that I sped-read through takes effect and he blocks the mafia.) So, by using our vote on this guy, we use up the main weapon the town has: the lynching. However, if we get him kicked out, he's still gone and not bothering us with his lurkerness anymore, but we also still have our main weapon available to us this game day.